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View Poll Results: Rate Plagues of Night.
Outstanding 57 51.82%
Above Average 35 31.82%
Average 11 10.00%
Below Average 5 4.55%
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Old June 11 2012, 09:35 PM   #331
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Re: Typhon Pact: Plagues of Night by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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^ As of Abyss, yes.
So maybe they could just slap that into place and build a new core?
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Old June 11 2012, 09:43 PM   #332
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^No, the station's current core was originally Empok Nor's core. Terok Nor's reactor core was jettisoned in Avatar, and in SCE: Cold Fusion and Abyss, they brought Empok Nor to the Bajoran system so that they could do a core transplant. So if the replacement reactor core is now gone, they're fresh outta cores. Unless there are some other abandoned Nor-class stations lying around somewhere.
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Old June 11 2012, 09:50 PM   #333
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^No, the station's current core was originally Empok Nor's core. Terok Nor's reactor core was jettisoned in Avatar, and in SCE: Cold Fusion and Abyss, they brought Empok Nor to the Bajoran system so that they could do a core transplant. So if the replacement reactor core is now gone, they're fresh outta cores. Unless there are some other abandoned Nor-class stations lying around somewhere.
I understand that but most of the station is intact wouldn't it be easier to build just a core than an entire station from scratch?
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Old June 12 2012, 02:07 AM   #334
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It's interesting how much the book slags Terok Nor, really. *lol* Prynn disses it, Picard disses it, the Militia guy disses it.... doesn't anybody like the poor station?
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Old June 12 2012, 02:29 AM   #335
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It's interesting how much the book slags Terok Nor, really. *lol* Prynn disses it, Picard disses it, the Militia guy disses it.... doesn't anybody like the poor station?
Well, that was always kind of the idea behind DS9 -- that it was an oppressive, alien environment that was uncomfortable for the Starfleet characters to be in and difficult to adjust to.
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Old June 12 2012, 04:23 AM   #336
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It's interesting how much the book slags Terok Nor, really. *lol* Prynn disses it, Picard disses it, the Militia guy disses it.... doesn't anybody like the poor station?
Well, that was always kind of the idea behind DS9 -- that it was an oppressive, alien environment that was uncomfortable for the Starfleet characters to be in and difficult to adjust to.
Which is ironic, as I often found the DS9 sets quite cozy-lookin'.

But Cenn has had a longstanding dislike of the Terok Nor design, going all the way back to his first appearance in Worlds of Deep Space Nine.
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Old June 12 2012, 05:16 AM   #337
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It's not bad but it DOES feel a bit like a heavy handed foreshadowing... well, depending on how the next book goes. *lol*
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But Cenn has had a longstanding dislike of the Terok Nor design, going all the way back to his first appearance in Worlds of Deep Space Nine.
Which is understandable for a Bajoran who grew up with it orbiting overhead as a constant symbol of Cardassian oppression.
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Old June 12 2012, 09:37 PM   #339
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If DS9 needs cores, why not buy them from Cardassia?
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Old June 12 2012, 10:07 PM   #340
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Can they even build them, though? Most of Cardassia's manufacturing ability was totalled in the final battle of the Dominion war. They couldn't even repair their ships after the war....

I suppose there MIGHT be other similar stations out there, though. Were Empok Nor/Terok Nor type stations commonly built?
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Old June 12 2012, 10:08 PM   #341
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If DS9 needs cores, why not buy them from Cardassia?

The Nor-class stations are pretty old, I think about 50 years by now. So, perhaps parts for these classes are no longer in production on Cardassia.
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Old June 12 2012, 10:18 PM   #342
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For such a strategically vital station I'm sure they can cobble together some old Cardassian tech from other sources, or install a shiny new Starfleet doohicky. The Corps of Engineers have done a lot harder jobs. If only they hadn't misplaced Scotty...
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Old June 12 2012, 10:31 PM   #343
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There comes a point where it makes more sense to replace old hardware than to fix it. Machines have a designed life cycle at which point they have been through so many stress cycles where it is unsafe to continue to operate them. Even if a machine is safe to operate, the cost of replacement may be better than the cost of refurbishment.

Even if DS9 can be fixed/upgraded for continued Starfleet use, it may not be cost effective to do so compared to building a new station with modern Starfleet technology.
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Old June 12 2012, 11:23 PM   #344
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There comes a point where it makes more sense to replace old hardware than to fix it. Machines have a designed life cycle at which point they have been through so many stress cycles where it is unsafe to continue to operate them. Even if a machine is safe to operate, the cost of replacement may be better than the cost of refurbishment.

Even if DS9 can be fixed/upgraded for continued Starfleet use, it may not be cost effective to do so compared to building a new station with modern Starfleet technology.
This came up a while ago - I posted that using an existing station, gutting it and installing all new equipment must make logistical sense. Christopher countered that with replicator technology that may not be the case.

Jury's out...
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Old June 13 2012, 03:43 PM   #345
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I'm not talking about technology, I'm talking about the structure itself. For example, modern aircraft are certified for specified service life or service cycles, not in expectations of better technology, but because metals fatique and wear out. Eventually, microcracks and granular imperfections will cause flaws that will cause the structure to essentially grow old and break. If you watched BSG, the same thing happened to Galactica; its wear was a result of age, compounded by a tough life.

Terok Nor is old and lived a hard life. I imagine its structure is riddled with micro fractures. You can only maintain and refurbish such structure defects so much, take it from an aerospace engineer.
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