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View Poll Results: Wich Ship displayed largest amount of endurance and defensive ability?
USS Enterprise-E 13 27.08%
USS Voyager 17 35.42%
USS Defiant 13 27.08%
USS Enterprise -D 3 6.25%
USS Enterprise-A 3 6.25%
USS Enterprise-NX 8 16.67%
USS Enterprise-jj abrams 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old June 10 2012, 03:12 PM   #1
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What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

wich star ship suffered the largest amount of damage and beating in the entire franchise? displayed impressive defensive ability and stamina in combat.
we have many series and many ships to chose from. vote.

like ST Nemesis the Ent-E was owned by the Scimitar or Voyager who was almost turned to dust in Year of Hell or the Ent-A in wrath of khan or Enterprise in battle of azati prime etc...
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Old June 10 2012, 03:28 PM   #2
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

The Defiant (original) completely and utterly destroyed after getting the shit kicked out of it thoroughly for several minutes. That has to win really, all the others made it out partly intact or repaired.

Ah, re-reading that you want ones that survived. I'm not sure really, Voyager has chunks taken out of her and managed to survive it. The Enterprise D saucer still could have been beamed into orbit and reused to some capacity.
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Old June 10 2012, 03:40 PM   #3
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

Voyager went through 7 seasons lost in the Delta Quadrant with narry a scratch.
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Old June 10 2012, 03:42 PM   #4
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Voyager went through 7 seasons lost in the Delta Quadrant with narry a scratch.

That couldn't be more exaggerated. Hell week alone makes voyager win this poll.
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Old June 10 2012, 03:48 PM   #5
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

The Ent-A took a fair beating in TUC.

VOY was beyond a joke. AT best it paid lip service to damage at worst it totally ignored credability that it would look brand new every week withou access to starfleet spares and spacedocks.

The Ent-D got taken out by a Klingon bird of prey, even without shields a volley of torpedeos and phaser fire should have taken the BoP out.

The NX Enterprise did manage to keep going despite extensive damage during S3, but somewhat realastically it's fighting ability decressed the more damage it took

as the the JJ Enterprise a little too early to say.

The Ent-E managed to do well against the Scimitar in NEM

Th Defiant could take a fair beating, but that was down in part to it's ablative armour.
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Old June 10 2012, 06:26 PM   #6
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

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The Ent-A took a fair beating in TUC.

VOY was beyond a joke. AT best it paid lip service to damage at worst it totally ignored credability that it would look brand new every week withou access to starfleet spares and spacedocks.

The Ent-D got taken out by a Klingon bird of prey, even without shields a volley of torpedeos and phaser fire should have taken the BoP out.

The NX Enterprise did manage to keep going despite extensive damage during S3, but somewhat realastically it's fighting ability decressed the more damage it took

as the the JJ Enterprise a little too early to say.

The Ent-E managed to do well against the Scimitar in NEM

Th Defiant could take a fair beating, but that was down in part to it's ablative armour.

in my opinion the defiant was the least defensive ship in the TNG era it lacked shield and hull strength compared to the others even with ablative hull armor.

the Ent-D is solid but not as bulky as Voyager or Enterprise-E.

as for your Voy criticism, we have seen many ships suffer heavy hull damage or system damage and get repaired in the same episode without access to starbase like Ent-E in insurrection,the Defiant in many episode,the NX also why would voy be any different or a joke ?? with replicators and the crew working around the clock they could easily repair any interior or exterior damage.
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Old June 10 2012, 06:53 PM   #7
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The biggest difference is that ships like the Ent-D and Defiant could put into a Federation Starbase inbetween episodes. VOY did have that facility, as for replicating it. Sure thats a remote possibility but weren't there supposed to have resource issues. As for repairing it inbetween episodes. You've got to think that some would have to be running the ship at any one time, a few on sleep cycle so maybe at most you could call on a hundred crew members. Not all of which are engineers. Compared to a Spacedock or space station with reapir facilites that may be able to call on double that number or more to work on fixing a ship.

And the Defiant did have access to a spacedock, Deep Sapce Nine, during the Dominion war we did see scenes concerning reapiring battle damaged ships. So Starbase Deep Space Nine had the ability to serve as a reapir base.
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Old June 10 2012, 07:08 PM   #8
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The amount of damage Voyager took in year of hell (it was destroyed) and the length of time it endured before being destroyed (a whole year, or thereabouts) means that Voyager wins this poll easily.
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Old June 10 2012, 07:32 PM   #9
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

It is possible for them to have repaired the ship, but stopping by an asteroid belt of the right kind, pulling in chunks of it with the tractor beam, transporting it in such a way as to break it down and feed the raw matter into industrial replication machines, turn it into the parts needed, put them/beam them into place...

A) Takes a lot of time, not moving at all even crossing space at sublight while it's being done.

B) Uses *a lot* of the ships power rapidly depleting it's deuterium and antimatter to power the systems needed, also requiring another stop to refuel.

It's possible, it just drastically slows them down.
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Old June 10 2012, 07:38 PM   #10
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

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The amount of damage Voyager took in year of hell (it was destroyed) and the length of time it endured before being destroyed (a whole year, or thereabouts) means that Voyager wins this poll easily.
Does the matter that that all happened in an alternate time line affect this result at all?
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Old June 11 2012, 05:05 AM   #11
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

I haven't voted in part because of several ships
The Enterprise C was utterly destroyed in battle. Since someone pointed out that the original Defiant was destroyed and no one said no to that, What about the C?

Then there is the first 1701-A in ST-III where the ship was taken over by Klingons and then blown up by kirk. Does that meet the criteria?

Last is the destruction of ENT-D. I forgot the movie. Everyone had enough time to get to the saucer to separate. Given the cercumstances the D had to go thru, I would think it would satisfy the criteria.

I know the Ent-C isn't a hero ship, just as the Ent-B isn't a hero ship even though the latter appeared in a movie helmed Captain Sulu.
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Old June 11 2012, 05:10 AM   #12
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The amount of damage Voyager took in year of hell (it was destroyed) and the length of time it endured before being destroyed (a whole year, or thereabouts) means that Voyager wins this poll easily.
Does the matter that that all happened in an alternate time line affect this result at all?
It was on screen, so I count it.
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Old June 11 2012, 02:04 PM   #13
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

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I haven't voted in part because of several ships
The Enterprise C was utterly destroyed in battle. Since someone pointed out that the original Defiant was destroyed and no one said no to that, What about the C?
The crew of the Enterprise-C were captured because of the changes to the timeline in Yesterdays Enterprise, leading to Sela's birth.

In the novels they take it further, the battered hulk of the E-C taken to Romulus, stripped of all it's technology, taken down to the planets surface and made a momument outside the Romulan capitol, children taken from all the schools in the city to see it.
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Old June 11 2012, 04:56 PM   #14
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

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I haven't voted in part because of several ships
The Enterprise C was utterly destroyed in battle. Since someone pointed out that the original Defiant was destroyed and no one said no to that, What about the C?
The crew of the Enterprise-C were captured because of the changes to the timeline in Yesterdays Enterprise, leading to Sela's birth.

In the novels they take it further, the battered hulk of the E-C taken to Romulus, stripped of all it's technology, taken down to the planets surface and made a momument outside the Romulan capitol, children taken from all the schools in the city to see it.
thx for the helpful info
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Old June 11 2012, 05:41 PM   #15
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Re: What Trek Ship suffered the most damage and beating?

I'd argue Voyager - Year of Hell. While they did end up using her as a battering ram, that was a choice (akin to the Enterprise-E and the Scimitar). Voyager took a beating over almost a year, and with repairs had warp and basic weapons even though multiple decks were destroyed, life support was minimal, and most of the crew evacuated. Clearly had they "won" without using the battering approach the ship would have been reasonably fully repaired over time.
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