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Old June 10 2012, 03:46 AM   #196
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Avi pushed for Venom so far because he thought he was the cool villain that we fans all wanted to see. He was right. We just didn't want to see HIS version of Venom.
It's sad that the Spider-Man cartoon from the 90s did the Venom story so much better with the shuttle and Jameson's son. They did the whole saga with three episodes. That was just a little over an hour!
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Old June 10 2012, 04:56 AM   #197
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Avi wanted Venom because he "sells", period.
Which is kind of a silly reason to force him into SM3. After Spider-Man 2, the third movie was going to sell no matter what.
I would tend to agree. It was silly. But Avi was only thinking of adding to the draw by forcing a big "name" villain on Rami. Conversely, he did not want Rami to use any variation on the Vulture because he/she is not a "name" villain with recognition outside the S-M fan community.

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I didn't get the flying snowboard.

Was Harry secretly a genius, or did Norman make it for Harry, or make it for himself because Norman Osborn is all about flying snowboards?
It was either a prototype or follow-on the the Glider.

And then when they said in 3 that they were celebrating the one year anniversary of Ben's death?

So let me understand this?

There's 3, but 12 months earlier Peter was half way through his final year in highschool?

Bring it On was more thought out.
If 1 was set half-way through Peter's senior year, then 3 would have been about at the half-way mark of his Freshman year of college.

So there's no contradiction.
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Old June 10 2012, 05:02 AM   #198
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I would tend to agree. It was silly. But Avi was only thinking of adding to the draw by forcing a big "name" villain on Rami. Conversely, he did not want Rami to use any variation on the Vulture because he/she is not a "name" villain with recognition outside the S-M fan community.
Yet, Avi allowed Raimi to use Sandman who wasn't that much more popular? I know that the Harry plot had to be there since it had been building up since the first movie, but getting rid of Sandman or Venom from the script would have greatly helped make Spider-Man 3 better.
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Old June 10 2012, 05:09 AM   #199
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We did get a couple of Fox animated series homages...such as the scene where Peter first wakes up with the costume on upside down...that was perfect! I wrote a partial fan treatment for Spider-Man 3 using the John Jameson arc. It was more like a prologue to the film to explain where the symbiont came from and to extend John's character arc after "Spider-Man 2".

Personally I would have focused heavily on the Harry plot and have made him Hobgoblin Venom was a natural villain to use and we all wanted to see him, just not what Avi's vision was for the character which was basically a bad mesh of Ultimate Venom and 616 Venom.
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Old June 10 2012, 05:32 AM   #200
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We did get a couple of Fox animated series homages...such as the scene where Peter first wakes up with the costume on upside down...that was perfect! I wrote a partial fan treatment for Spider-Man 3 using the John Jameson arc. It was more like a prologue to the film to explain where the symbiont came from and to extend John's character arc after "Spider-Man 2".
The cartoon did such a good job by adding Jameson's son into the Venom three parter. I thought Raimi was setting up the character in Spider-Man 2 to use him along with Venom in Spider-Man 3. Imagine my disappointment when the Venom symbiote just randomly appeared from a fallen meteorite from space instead of coming from a crashed space shuttle like in the cartoon. Lame!
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Old June 10 2012, 05:32 AM   #201
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^ I was disappointed by that too...enough to shout WTF in the theater (seriously, I did that).

Getting back though to the future of Marvel's movies, I have stated that I've love to see a "Doctor Strange" film starring Patrick Dempsey and a "Luke Cage" film starring Terry Crews! Zack Quinto as Namor for a "Sub-Mariner" film (although he's probably too busy with another franchise at the moment to do that lol)
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Old June 10 2012, 11:14 AM   #202
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Getting back though to the future of Marvel's movies, I have stated that I've love to see a "Doctor Strange" film starring Patrick Dempsey and a "Luke Cage" film starring Terry Crews! Zack Quinto as Namor for a "Sub-Mariner" film (although he's probably too busy with another franchise at the moment to do that lol)
RDJ would have made such a GREAT Doctor Strange. Too bad he is already Iron Man.
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Old June 10 2012, 12:45 PM   #203
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I too was hoping for Man-Wolf in Spiderman 3.

Avi needs to move on from Spidey like Braga needed to move on from Trek. Someone though hasn't realized it yet. The Vulture's apparent name recognition to those outside the SM world wasn't important. You can't tell me Doc Ock or Sandman filled that quota.

I say with Batman going into turnaround it's Marvels best chance to fill the void with Moon Knight. A dream, I know but still.
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Old June 10 2012, 12:51 PM   #204
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Avi just needs to move on period...he must have some kind of iron clad producing contract with Marvel though or have considerable influence.
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Old June 10 2012, 04:34 PM   #205
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Zack Quinto as Namor for a "Sub-Mariner" film (although he's probably too busy with another franchise at the moment to do that lol)
I think one of the dots on the map at the end of Iron Man 2 corresponds to Namor.
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Old June 10 2012, 04:42 PM   #206
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^ Yes Atlantis was on the sit map screen at the end of the film.
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Old June 10 2012, 04:46 PM   #207
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It looked like it was too far south to be Atlantis, but it could have been Namor's solitary place.
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Old June 10 2012, 07:11 PM   #208
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Getting back though to the future of Marvel's movies, I have stated that I've love to see a "Doctor Strange" film starring Patrick Dempsey and a "Luke Cage" film starring Terry Crews! Zack Quinto as Namor for a "Sub-Mariner" film (although he's probably too busy with another franchise at the moment to do that lol)
RDJ would have made such a GREAT Doctor Strange. Too bad he is already Iron Man.
Somebody on another board suggested Benedict Cumberbatch for Dr. Strange. Works for me!
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Old June 11 2012, 02:43 AM   #209
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Machine Man should get a shot. Everyone is a sucker for the old I want to be human storyline. Oh and Stingray as well.
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Old June 11 2012, 06:17 AM   #210
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Dye the top half of his hair black, so then, what about Burt Reynolds as Doctor Strange?

Few guys can pull off newworld sleazy, but Burt is old enough to get a pass on being old world sleazy.
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