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Old June 8 2012, 09:43 PM   #46
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Re: Star Trek Vanguard: In Tempest's wake by Dayton Ward

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Just to throw in my two cents into this. I prefer the dead tree format myself, but I have no objection to E-Book (my wife has a Nook Color so I could use that). My major gripe right now is the pricing model. Currently a physical MMPB book sells for $7.99 for anywhere from 300 to 400+ pages. However, the E-Book cost is $5.99 for a novella that is typically only a third to half that size. I have a hard time mentally jumping that "hurdle".
But compare it to the price of a hardcover (typically 25-28 dollars for about the same page count) or a comic book (around 4 dollars for under 2 dozen pages of story) or a DVD of a feature film (maybe 15-20 dollars for an amount of story equivalent to a short novel). If anything, the price of MMPBs is an exceptional bargain.

And while you're right about the price for The Struggle Within, didn't I read that In Tempest's Wake will be $3.99? I imagine TSW was priced more steeply because it was a test case and they weren't sure whether it would sell in enough quantity to let them make a profit at a lower price point. Since the experiment worked and they're publishing more, maybe that means they feel a lower price can be profitable. New things often go down in price once they become established and popular.
I sincerely hope that they do cut the price of the TSW novella down to that price point as with TW. That price is more palatable. I did notice on B&N that Corps of Engineers e-books are listed at 5.99-6.99 in a bunch of cases.

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Old June 8 2012, 09:44 PM   #47
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Another impediment to the bundling-for-print strategy proposed in this thread is that, from a marketing perspective, it will be difficult to promote a paperback or trade paperback whose content spans different series, eras, and characters. A branded TPB such as SCE works for promotional purposes; combining TOS, TNG, DS9, and a player TBD would be a marketing headache.
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Old June 8 2012, 09:47 PM   #48
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^It's actually two TNGs and a TOS so far.
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Old June 8 2012, 10:33 PM   #49
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Personally, what I expect to happen as publishers get more comfortable with digital technology in a post-DRM era is that they are going to start collaborating with the already-existing service providers who offer print-to-order book binding. As reading increasingly moves to digital and ebook exclusives become more common, you're likely going find the option to order a printed copy that way in online stores, instead of the publisher doing a print run and putting it in brick and mortar stores. That means a codex will be a more expensive luxury option, but since you consider the experience to be better it shouldn't pain you to pay more for it, I guess. And it means you'll get back to having everything available in print again.

Alternatively, it's probably already legal to upload a DRM-free book file to one of those service providers and have a printed copy sent to you for your personal use entirely independent of buying the ebook (most anti-copying legislation revolves around breaking a copy protection mechanism that is absent in a DRM-free file, or around duplication for non-personal use). Of course this is moot at Star Trek titles are currently not yet available DRM-free, but check again in a year and I bet they will be.
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Old June 9 2012, 02:51 AM   #50
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E-books are shit and I would advise anyone not to buy any of these novellas so S&S will think twice about future releases.

I wouldn't go that far. I just (personally) feel that it would be nicer to have a choice between paper or bytes. But, as I said earlier, I had no idea the costs into publishing novella's on paper (even as a collected set) was so expensive.
If it makes you feel better, there are several Trek paperbacks that haven't been released in e-book form, so those of us who do the e-books are in the same situation you are when it comes to those books.
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Old June 9 2012, 03:07 PM   #51
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I've got an emotional attachment to dead tree format that won't go away just because I've got a Kindle. My LOTR, Trek etc. will remain on my shelves as physical books and I shall continue to purchase new titles as they come out.

That's not to say I don't love my Kindle - I do. I'm loading duplicates on to it for convenience (I may reach a point where I don't actually read my paper copies) and will be using it for stuff I read but don't 'collect'.

With regard to Trek novellas, I'll buy the download and again when collected in print.

For those of us with a lot of paper books we wish to 'digitise', you can't exactly copy them like you do CD's to an Ipod. I don't want to have to buy everything twice - has anyone come up with a proposal to get a digital copy WITH a paperback when you purchase ?
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Old June 9 2012, 03:15 PM   #52
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^ That will basically be a side-effect of the model I was proposing / anticipating above. As in, I would expect print-to-order to become an add-on option to the ebook purchase that might be slightly cheaper than buying two copies is right now.
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Old June 9 2012, 04:16 PM   #53
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I've got an emotional attachment to dead tree format that won't go away just because I've got a Kindle. My LOTR, Trek etc. will remain on my shelves as physical books and I shall continue to purchase new titles as they come out.

That's not to say I don't love my Kindle - I do. I'm loading duplicates on to it for convenience (I may reach a point where I don't actually read my paper copies) and will be using it for stuff I read but don't 'collect'.

With regard to Trek novellas, I'll buy the download and again when collected in print.

For those of us with a lot of paper books we wish to 'digitise', you can't exactly copy them like you do CD's to an Ipod. I don't want to have to buy everything twice - has anyone come up with a proposal to get a digital copy WITH a paperback when you purchase ?
They've been doing this with comics now for the last year or so. Both DC and Marvel have been packing a special code for a digital versions of the comics with some of their paper comic books. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody eventually started doing the same thing with paperbacks.
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Old June 9 2012, 04:21 PM   #54
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I've got an emotional attachment to dead tree format that won't go away just because I've got a Kindle. My LOTR, Trek etc. will remain on my shelves as physical books and I shall continue to purchase new titles as they come out.

That's not to say I don't love my Kindle - I do. I'm loading duplicates on to it for convenience (I may reach a point where I don't actually read my paper copies) and will be using it for stuff I read but don't 'collect'.

With regard to Trek novellas, I'll buy the download and again when collected in print.

For those of us with a lot of paper books we wish to 'digitise', you can't exactly copy them like you do CD's to an Ipod. I don't want to have to buy everything twice - has anyone come up with a proposal to get a digital copy WITH a paperback when you purchase ?
They've been doing this with comics now for the last year or so. Both DC and Marvel have been packing a special code for a digital versions of the comics with some of their paper comic books. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody eventually started doing the same thing with paperbacks.
Well, lets hope !

It shouldn't be expensive as they're already set up for the digital downloads, and I would think there's a fair few readers that would appreciate the 'both' rather than the 'either/or' option.

I'd even consider paying a SMALL premium to make it worth the publishers while - say $1.
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Old June 9 2012, 05:59 PM   #55
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Dunno, I still think we're eventually going to go to digital-with-optional-print rather than print-with-code-in-the-back.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:06 PM   #56
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That probably will happen eventually, but I would think free digital copy codes would probably come first.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:07 PM   #57
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I wish there were a way to get free (or at least hugely discounted) e-book versions of all the older books I have in print form. Or maybe some way to trade in older print books for the equivalent e-books. I mean, my shelves are getting pretty cluttered, and it would be handy to replace a lot of my books with e-books, but it would just be so expensive to buy duplicates of all those books I already own.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:10 PM   #58
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Yeah, Wal-Mart has actually started doing something like that for movies now. Apparently you can bring in old DVDs and get a digital version through Vudu (the now Wal-Mart owned) streaming video service. I would definitely do it if somebody did something like that for books. Most of my Harry Potter books are first editions that have been read so many times now that they're falling apart, and I would love to be able to replace them without having to buy copies again.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:12 PM   #59
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^ This is actually happening to some degree in the video game world. With some older games that have key-based copy protection schemes (i.e. there's a printed serial key somewhere in the box together with the CD that you're asked to enter during installation or at the start of the game), publishers have made deals with distribution platforms like Steam that allow you to enter the key into Steam and have the game added to your Steam account, so you can install it digitally via Steam.

It's also being done for some new games right of the bat. If you buy a copy of CD Projekt's fantasy epic The Witcher 2 in a brick and mortar store it's usable as-is without an online connection, but you can go to GOG.com (the excellent, DRM-free online game retailer run by the same company) and register your game there, which provides you with a DRM-free digital "backup copy" you can download at any time.
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That probably will happen eventually, but I would think free digital copy codes would probably come first.
I can't see publishers doing this without raising the print price - otherwise I could get both versions for $6 from Amazon, or just the ebook for $8. I'd certainly appreciate it, but I don't think it's realistic.
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