RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,461
Posts: 5,508,804
Members: 25,132
Currently online: 581
Newest member: Commander Balok

TrekToday headlines

TV Alert: Pine On Tonight Show
By: T'Bonz on Dec 22

Retro Review: The Emperor’s New Cloak
By: Michelle on Dec 20

Star Trek Opera
By: T'Bonz on Dec 19

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18

IDW Publishing March 2015 Comics
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Paramount Star Trek 3 Expectations
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Star Trek #39 Sneak Peek
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Star Trek 3 Potential Director Shortlist
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Official Starships Collection Update
By: T'Bonz on Dec 15

Retro Review: Prodigal Daughter
By: Michelle on Dec 13


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 6 2012, 08:31 PM   #46
Dick Whitman
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Behind the mask of Donald Draper
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

While I did like the Marvel movies leading to the Avengers, I feel the first Iron Man was one that worked as a strong standalone film. The rest just felt like a setup for the Avengers. Good thing that was done so well, it makes Captain America and Thor better. But now that they done that, future solo sequels and team ups are going to need to work as stand alone films to be satisfying.
Dick Whitman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:35 PM   #47
Out Of My Vulcan Mind
Vice Admiral
 
Out Of My Vulcan Mind's Avatar
 
Location: Wherever you go, there you are.
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: View Post
My point is that this year, the genre will have blown its wad, both of the successful comic book films represent the end of built up anticipation on a scale unlike anything else. I just don't sense that the comic book films that follow these will have the same built-up anticipation. People are tired of the genre, but they still wanted to see how Avengers and Dark knight turn out.
Again, people have been saying this sort of thing for years.
__________________
"I'll see you in another life, brother."
Out Of My Vulcan Mind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:37 PM   #48
Greg Cox
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Oxford, PA
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

[QUOTE=Flying Spaghetti Monster;6456457][I'm seeing a general sense of comic-book overload, a lot of people are kind of sick of them. That's all Hollywood is making. watchmen wasn't the success that the studio wanted. Superman returns wasn't either. People didn't buy into how cool Green Lantern would be.. I don't see a lot of excitement for Spider-Man, partly for the reasons you mentioned. But in general, i think the movie going public is ready to move on. [/QUOTE]

[Hope you don't mind that I bolded the key statements for easy reference. Just to be clear, the emphasis is definitely mine.]

Anyway, are you sure you're not just projecting your own feelings on the "movie-going public"? Aside from "a general sense" regarding "a lot of people," I'm not seeing any evidence that audiences have gotten bored with superheroes. Who are these mysterious people you're talking about? Not the ones lining up for the movies, surely, or burning up the internet with constant speculation and rumors about the latest new superhero movie.

It sounds to me like you're sick of superhero movies, and ready to move on, but I don't see any sort of trend here.
__________________
www.gregcox-author.com

Last edited by Greg Cox; June 6 2012 at 08:52 PM.
Greg Cox is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:38 PM   #49
SG-17
Commodore
 
SG-17's Avatar
 
Location: Pennsylvania
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Darkseid needs to be the villain.
SG-17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:38 PM   #50
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

I want this to be good but the timing does not seem great. Green Lantern at best underperformed (some would say flopped). Superman is being revived and while Man of Steel looks good so far, no-one knows how it will perform. A poor or lukewarm reception, coming after Superman Returns, will make it very difficult to relaunch Mr Kent as a cinematic hero, be it in a solo or ensemble movie. And Wonder Woman remains in developmental limbo.

About the only things that make sense re the timing (in my opinion) are, firstly, the success of The Avengers. And enough has been said about the way Marvel led up to it with the solo outings, as opposed to this (apparently) standalone movie that I don't need to rehearse it again.

The second thing is that Chris Nolan's Batman saga is now coming to an end and doubtless WB will look to revive/ reboot/ relaunch Mr Dark Knight ASAP. It may be that a more fantastical Batman, who pals around with the super-powered and battles enemies from outer space, is just the way to go, in order to distinguish the new take on the Caped Crusader from the most recent one. And this would save them from going down the Amazing Spider-man route, and re-telling his origins again.

But even that is open to dispute; audiences who flocked to Noloan's dark, reality-based take on Bats may be (Bat-shark) repelled by a more fantastic take on the material.

Count me in the reserve judgement camp.
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:44 PM   #51
Out Of My Vulcan Mind
Vice Admiral
 
Out Of My Vulcan Mind's Avatar
 
Location: Wherever you go, there you are.
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Captain Craig wrote: View Post
I just disagree that it's not unwarranted or undeserving to look at a screenwriter as you would any other person in the process-director, producer, composer etc.. and say "Do I like your prior work?", "What have you done lately, was I impressed?"
How do you feel about the directors of You, Me and Dupree directing Captain America 2?
__________________
"I'll see you in another life, brother."
Out Of My Vulcan Mind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:46 PM   #52
Saga
Rear Admiral
 
Saga's Avatar
 
Location: VA
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Saga Send a message via Yahoo to Saga
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

i would be more interested in a Flash or Wonder Woman solo film. i'll watch Justice League of course, i'm just not sure a two hour movie will give the audience enough time to connect with any character except Batman or Superman, who they are already familiar with.
Saga is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 08:54 PM   #53
Captain Craig
Vice Admiral
 
Captain Craig's Avatar
 
Location: Nashville,TN
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Out Of My Vulcan Mind wrote: View Post
Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: View Post
I'm seeing a general sense of comic-book overload, a lot of people are kind of sick of them.
People have been saying that for years and predicting that the bubble will pop and the genre will come to a crashing halt, and yet it keeps trucking on. Like any genre, there'll be hits and misses and the number of films released in any given year will go up and down, but I think the genre is here to stay.
Exactly. I've come to think that the comic book film genre has evolved in three phases and the current(3rd) phase solidifies the genre.
Phase One
Superman '78 - Superman IV '87: turkey film Howard the Duck
Phase Two
Batman '89 - Men In Black '97: turkey's Judge Dredd, Barb Wire for starters, MIB showed non-traditional could work also.
Phase Three
Blade '98 - Avengers '12: turkey's Elektra, Catwoman, GR2 for starters


Shazam! wrote: View Post
Captain Craig wrote: View Post
Don't get me wrong I want a JL movie but a good one.
Woah, really?
Help me out, why are you surprised?

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
Superhero movies are a genre now, like cop thrillers or comedies. I don't see them going away any time soon.
The genre has survived, thrived and grown over the past 30+ years with a few turkeys along each decade. Yet Hollywood isn't anymore deterred than when a Grisham novel adaptation tanks. It's a rich source of literary material with a built in audience.
Anyone looking for comic films to go away is not being objective about it. I'm not even sure a general slow down is coming any time soon.
Marvel just completed Phase One of their plans with ringing success. Phase Two is filming now with IM3 underway.
Sony is rebooting Spider-man, results TBD
Fox has arguably(?) already rejuvenated it's X-Men saga with First Class. Sequel forthcoming and Wolverine 2 starting later this year. They also seem intent on DD and FF reboots.
Warners, per this thread, is so encouraged it's got JLA out to script as well as Flash, WW with Man of Steel out next year.
__________________
"Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9)
"Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime
Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1
Captain Craig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:04 PM   #54
Greg Cox
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Oxford, PA
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

SG-17 wrote: View Post
Darkseid needs to be the villain.
Unless, maybe, he's too similar to Thanos?

(Yes, you and I know Darkseid came first, but that doesn't matter where the movies are concerned.)
__________________
www.gregcox-author.com
Greg Cox is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:07 PM   #55
Captain Craig
Vice Admiral
 
Captain Craig's Avatar
 
Location: Nashville,TN
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Out Of My Vulcan Mind wrote: View Post
Captain Craig wrote: View Post
I just disagree that it's not unwarranted or undeserving to look at a screenwriter as you would any other person in the process-director, producer, composer etc.. and say "Do I like your prior work?", "What have you done lately, was I impressed?"
How do you feel about the directors of You, Me and Dupree directing Captain America 2?
Leary.
I noticed in the Release I read it mentioned their roles as executive producers on Community. Which, as a show is fairly good I thought "But they are producers, what have they directed?" So I go to IMDB, not impressed.
As a personal rule I'm leary about directing teams.
For every Matrix you get Ghost Rider 2.

As Greg points out upthread some times unconventional has worked. Favs getting Iron Man is the recent example of that. It also springboarded the whole thing. But I wasn't worried for some reason. This is the first director choice that has made me really sit up though. Marvel is due a misfire and these guys, looking at imdb, seem a bit more comedic friendly. I don't want a Cap film going that route. The "fish out of water" schtick only goes so far. Over used it drags on a film, imo. Dark Shadows was fine until act II when Barnabas awakens in the "present", queue fish out of water jokes that ran long.
__________________
"Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9)
"Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime
Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1
Captain Craig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:13 PM   #56
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Vice Admiral
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster's Avatar
 
Location: Flying Spaghetti Western
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Ok, whatever, It may be my opinion, and the opinion of almost anyone I meet. It might also be shared by a majority of critics on Rotten tomatoes that I've read, various blogs by genre fans I've visited. Hardly accurate sources, and I haven't conducted any scientific surveys or recorded statistics, - and my opinion certainly colors things, but I'm just stating what I see.
'
My point; I would not be surprised if the new Avenger 2 lead in films with separate heroes fail to meet expectations at the box office. I would not be surprised if ASM has mediocre box office reception. Same with Man of steel. I say that this will happen despite the success of the Avengers.
I think Marvel's strategy, the way they built it up (not to mention good casting) was what made Avengers so successful. It also felt like a comic book on screen dispensing with the things people didn't want really see again (romance plots, origin stories) and gave them more of what they did want to see (different heroes working together, a script that wasn't super-deep but also treated the characters with due respect). It was not a perfect film, but,as Ebert said, it gave fans what they wanted (if not what they deserved). I ndo think its success was due ito its build up and the fact that people walked out having had a good time.

But they just will keep going to that well again and again. It will run dry.
__________________
See, the problem is that you are using your cards to show me what cards you have, and if you can't see that this is viciously circular, then there is no point in continuing
Flying Spaghetti Monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:14 PM   #57
Greg Cox
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Oxford, PA
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Captain Craig wrote: View Post
As Greg points out upthread some times unconventional has worked. Favs getting Iron Man is the recent example of that. .
It occurs to me that Kenneth Branagh wasn't exactly an obvious choice for a big superhero movie either . . .

(We'll just forget about Ang Lee, okay?)
__________________
www.gregcox-author.com
Greg Cox is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:14 PM   #58
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

^ Tim Burton and Jon Favreau had comedic backgrounds before making Batman and Iron Man respectively.

I really doubt that, having so shrewdly guarded their movies and adhered to a winning formula and consistent tone to date, Marvel will suddenly allow Captain America 2 to become a Batman and Robin type jokefest. Any more than Iron Man 3 will turn into a Lethal Weapon clone because of Shane Black's involvement.

Marvel have been quite bold for the most part in their choices of directors (Whedon and Branagh especially) with only Louis Leterrier perhaps being an uninspired choice (IMHO). If they saw something in these guys, I'm happy to go along with them, even if I wish Johnston was returning.
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:15 PM   #59
Saga
Rear Admiral
 
Saga's Avatar
 
Location: VA
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Saga Send a message via Yahoo to Saga
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
SG-17 wrote: View Post
Darkseid needs to be the villain.
Unless, maybe, he's too similar to Thanos?

(Yes, you and I know Darkseid came first, but that doesn't matter where the movies are concerned.)
true, but the Avengers haven't fought Thanos yet. Justice League could beat them to the punch so to speak. but there are other bad guys who can go toe to toe with the JL. Despero or Amazo just to name two.
Saga is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 6 2012, 09:18 PM   #60
Out Of My Vulcan Mind
Vice Admiral
 
Out Of My Vulcan Mind's Avatar
 
Location: Wherever you go, there you are.
Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
It occurs to me that Kenneth Branagh wasn't exactly an obvious choice for a superhero movie either . . .
For a superhero movie in general, no, but for Thor in particular I think he actually was a pretty obvious choice.

(We'll just forget about Ang Lee, okay?)
I'm in the minority. I (mostly) liked Ang Lee's Hulk.
__________________
"I'll see you in another life, brother."
Out Of My Vulcan Mind is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
justice league

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:26 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.