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Old June 6 2012, 07:03 PM   #16
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Of course it shouldn't be one strike you're out. I would debate, if I were a WB guy in a boardroom somewhere, the seriousness of taking a screen writer from an underperforming recent superhero flick(GL) and transplanting them to another so soon.
Depends on the circumstances. Consider that Goldenberg was one of four writers on Green Lantern and writers usually have to shape their work based on the input of any number of other people involved in any given project.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:05 PM   #17
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Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Obviously Christopher you carry a closer opinion on such things being a writer.
What I'm looking at is a guy who hasn't done anything I've seen that sets me on fire.
People all the time gauge early excitement by who is handed screenplays, director duties and soundtrack treatments. It's not unexpected that this happens. Maybe his Potter is brilliant, I don't know.

I know many, many thought giving Whedon Avengers was questionable. Not to me cause I see his talent. Maybe for this project(WW), he'll wow me.


Moving on-I know we've mentioned that Worlds Finest idea before. That should happen first. Be a good "beta" test for a JL movie I've thought.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:05 PM   #18
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Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Hiring someone to write a script is a long way from greenlighting a movie. Regardless, with JLA you can get by without all the setup movies because the main characters are better known by the public to begin with. At least by name.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:11 PM   #19
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I'd much rather see them go straight to a Justice League movie than test the waters with World's Finest first.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:13 PM   #20
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I think this could work, introducing all or most of the actors/characters in a single movie. I doubt it would lead to the exact reverse of Marvel. Meaning EVERY single JLA member getting a solo film. Just the ones that ones are very popular.

Just look how much demand there is for a new solo Hulk film after The Avengers. But even than they are cautious based on the first two movies. So I could see skepticism on WB's part about a Green Lantern movie outside of the JLA. Regardless of who plays the part, Reynolds or someone else.

But if characters like Wonder Woman and the Flash are very popular it would work to give them their own movies.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:16 PM   #21
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Don't get me wrong I want a JL movie but a good one.
I don't necessarily buy that the masses of general movie goers are as fully understanding of DC characters as some allege. Of course we all want the big 6-7 but will people(and I'm saying it's more than many think) who don't really know Flash, MM or only think Aquaman is a joke buy into a film with the other 4? Minimal explanation at best, go get 'em Flash. And they may think GL is a bit of joke after it's underperformance if they saw it at all.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:18 PM   #22
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Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

They might establish one or two more of the characters in individual films before a Justice League film is made depending on the timeframe they have in mind. For example, they might greenlight The Flash for 2014 and then make Justice League in 2015.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:20 PM   #23
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I doubt Aquaman will make it into the movie. To the general public he's still a joke.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:23 PM   #24
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The most innocuous thing will keep this from ever happening. The setting for the final battle. Marvel has a go-to in New York, NY. DC has Gotham City, Coast City, Central City, Star City, Metropolis, Bludhaven, blah blah blah. Just picking the right fake city for the denoument will cause fights that will shelve the stupid thing..
Honestly, I can't see Warner letting such a silly little issue scupper a major production. Just set the thing all over the world, and have Darkseid (or whomever) attacking London, Paris, New York, and Washington D.C. Or maybe set the big finale on the moon or Apokolips.

Nobody but hardcore fanboys will care if the Flash suddenly shows up in Metropolis instead of Central City. And it's not like Warner or DC has a vested interest in promoting the "Star City" brand . . . .
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Old June 6 2012, 07:24 PM   #25
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They might establish one or two more of the characters in individual films before a Justice League film is made depending on the timeframe they have in mind. For example, they might greenlight The Flash for 2014 and then make Justice League in 2015.
I'd like that. The Flash was still out to a writer last I recall. They just assigned WW.
It does raise the question on what type timetable they are looking at with this.
It could be they are doing a truncated solo film build up and just not announcing it as such like Marvel did in '06 when they took out that loan to start up the studio.

Could Man of Steel be a de facto starting point?
Then roll out Flash, WW and a JL movie.
Let's face it this could be a great fallow area to get distance between Nolan Batman and the next solo Bat franchise. Batman is one of two characters in the film that needs ZERO introduction. They could just cast an actor for JL film(s). Also toss in John Stewart as GL, a de factor reboot there?
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Old June 6 2012, 07:27 PM   #26
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Obviously Christopher you carry a closer opinion on such things being a writer.
Opinion has nothing to do with it. It's a documented fact. You can find plenty of evidence to support it. It's simply the nature of feature filmmaking in Hollywood, a consequence of the way it's structured, that the people who get screen credit for writing a movie may have very little to do with the final content of the film. That's why there are so very many cases of the same screenwriter being credited for both awful films and wonderful films (like David Goyer on the Blade films vs. the Nolan Batman films, or John Logan writing both the Oscar-winning Gladiator and the poorly-received Star Trek: Nemesis -- although I actually liked Nemesis).
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Old June 6 2012, 07:28 PM   #27
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John Stewart as GL could work without even full reboot. Just like in the comics he would just be another GL.

All of this of course depends on popularity. If a JLA is not successful it would probably prevent the lesser known characters getting a movie again for years, if ever. Superman and Batman would not be effected much by a bad JLA movie.

I agree this should start with a World's Finest movie. Seeing them together is what most people really care about. Superman and Batman will overshadow all the other members in a JLA movie anyway.
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Old June 6 2012, 07:31 PM   #28
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I'd much rather see them go straight to a Justice League movie than test the waters with World's Finest first.
Yeah, me too. Besides I'm sure that in a JLA movie Superman and Batman would get the bulk of the action so there's really no need for a World's Finest movie.
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Well they are a business and the goal is to make money. If that can be done with something with artistic integrity? Great. If it can be done with garbage from Adam Sandler? Great.

They don't care how they make money.....they're there to make money. All other considerations are secondary.

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My theory is that the 'standard' comic book film is something people don't want to see..
I disagree. Watchmen wasn't the standard comic book movie and that's why it failed. People were expecting the type of formulaic movie we've had in EVERY single super hero movie made since 2000. What they got was a murder mystery in a world of shades of gray that lacked "super villains". (Come to think of it, when was the last time you heard anyone mention Kick Ass?)

They wanted "Iron Man Begins Forever Part 6". They want standard "Good Guy vs Bad Guy" stuff and looking at Avengers success, they also don't want to think much either with their comic book movies. The movie was enjoyable, but it was a standard popcorn flick with all the depth of an inflatable baby pool.

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(look at Green Lantern, or the only marginal hype for Amazing Spider-Man) but if there is a decent build up to it,then people will want to see how it plays.
Soooo.....they need to make movies about Hal Jordan and Peter Parker and then build up to the movie where they actually become super heroes?

GL was hyped so much that people were getting sick of it and bombed because it was badly executed garbage. No one's getting worked up about Spider-Man because the last series was a mega hit, it wasn't that long ago and there's the feeling of "been there, done that".

You may have to clarify this one a bit.

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Maybe they can hire Joss Whedon to direct this thing.
Why? Joss Whedon was at the helm of a train that was already heading down hill, full speed, when he sat in the engineers chair. The MCU had been working towards Avengers for years, there was already massive anticipation for the film and and no one was doubting that it was going to be a huge hit. The only surprise was how huge it actually was.

It was pretty much like every MCU film before it....fairly serious, a healthy dose of humor, cartoon bad guy and lots of cool fight scenes. It's been a successful formula so far.

When he can make the kind of bank Raimi, Nolan and Favreau have, without a six movie lead in, over the course of years, to build anticipation for a movie, I'll give him more props. Until then he'll just be a guy who was in the right place at the right time using a tried and true formula.
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John Stewart as GL could work without even full reboot. Just like in the comics he would just be another GL.
They'll probably use John Stewart for some racial diversity. And to avoid a big link to the Hal Jordan Green Lantern movie.
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