DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[Captain Craig]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Where are they selling digital comics?

Just their website, or have they got a deal with places like Itunes?

they can't go back to the news stands but they have to go some places with an untapped consumer base, and their own website is not it.

Comixology?

When I bought the JLA #1 that was where it directed me. I had to create an account there and now every week since then I get an email about buying "this weeks books".

[Guy Gardener]

Who but someone already deeply invested in comics is going to happen upon that website?

Music isn't good enough.

Marvel and DC need to sell their comics where people buy their pornography.

Seriously, idiots who will PAY for porn, will pay for anything.

[C_Miller]

I would have liked a hard reboot as well but I have trouble reconciling how you do that. Like how can we have the Batmans and Supermans having their origins told yet still have room for Nightwing, Teen Titans, hell even Justice League would be a year or so out.

There are definitely problems with that too.

[Trekker4747]

Well, it'd be a good chance to streamline things.

[Nerys Myk]

Agent Richard07 wrote:

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I guess it's the lack of detail compared to something like Earth 2. "Terrible" is a strong word, I admit, but I would have preferred something that captures Wonder Woman's beauty a little better. The color scheme is also less vibrant, but it's mainly the lack of detail.

There's more to good art and visual storytelling than detail.

[C_Miller]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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Well, it'd be a good chance to streamline things.

I agree, but I don't think those are the things to go in a streamline.

[Trekker4747]

Well, look at how "complex" the Batman series is, we've got Batman, three different versions/stages of a Robin, Batwoman, Batgirl and with Batman, Inc. we add even more. It's a mess.

A complete reboot would boil that all down to bare essentials. Batman and Robin and potentially a Batgirl.

Hell, I'd really argue you don't even need a Robin so make it a tad more practical (and sensible) with him being a teenager and when he gets into his twenties after a few years of comics he goes off to his own comic series and Batman rides it out solo from there.

[Admiral_Young]

They continued over Batman's continuity because those books were selling and popular (for the most part) and they didn't want to alienate those fans, same with Green Lantern I stated way back in the news thread that if they didn't carry over Damian or any of the Morrison continuity I would have abandoned DC completely no matter what they did. Frankly they're borderline losing me as a customer as it is. I think if Wonder Woman and Action weren't so damn good, along with Batman I wouldn't care.

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, I realize why they kept all of the Batman continuity. But with four Batman titles (which I'm not sure how they work with one another) I'd think with one of them they could've gone with a cold reboot like they basically did with Superman.

[theenglish]

I would really like to see two or three "five years earlier" titles that could fill in a lot of the revised continuity details. I think they would be very popular as well.

But it was the digital angle that brought me back, and it wasn't too hard to find comixology last year.

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah I still would like to see a "Smallville" New 52 book about young Clark

[Admiral_Young]

Another excellent top ten...I agree with all the points brought up so far and the apparent contradicts pointed out as well.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/one-...-new-52-1.html

Alan's point about where Batman Inc is something I brought up a few pages ago. Volume Two has to take place at least sometime after "Batman and Robin" Volume Two the first arc, since Bruce mentioned Damian's killing of Spook and Nobody. Oh and the not finding out about NoWhere yet in Superboy has been maddening and one of the reasons why I dropped the book.

[C_Miller]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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Well, look at how "complex" the Batman series is, we've got Batman, three different versions/stages of a Robin, Batwoman, Batgirl and with Batman, Inc. we add even more. It's a mess.

A complete reboot would boil that all down to bare essentials. Batman and Robin and potentially a Batgirl.

Hell, I'd really argue you don't even need a Robin so make it a tad more practical (and sensible) with him being a teenager and when he gets into his twenties after a few years of comics he goes off to his own comic series and Batman rides it out solo from there.

Well, in that case we're talking about two very different things. Batman is bloated, always has been and I agree that he doesn't need four solo titles. However, starting everything from scratch, you also lose a lot more important titles like Teen Titans (which is a top tier DC franchise, even if they don't treat it like that).

And not just that, pretty much any team book since if you're starting everyone out on day one, it's insane to think that they're meeting up and forming teams. And then there are characters whose origins involve being inspired by "modern" heroes. That takes Blue Beetle off the table.

In the end, a total reboot really brings everything from a new 52 to like a new 20. And that's just crazy.


And I completely disagree that you don't need a Robin. Comic fans tend to forget that Robin is just as integral to Batman's history as characters like Alfred, The Joker, and Catwoman (all of whom he pre-dates in appearance). The "Robin Sucks" train of thought is clichéd.

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Another excellent top ten...I agree with all the points brought up so far and the apparent contradicts pointed out as well.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/one-...-new-52-1.html

Alan's point about where Batman Inc is something I brought up a few pages ago. Volume Two has to take place at least sometime after "Batman and Robin" Volume Two the first arc, since Bruce mentioned Damian's killing of Spook and Nobody. Oh and the not finding out about NoWhere yet in Superboy has been maddening and one of the reasons why I dropped the book.

To me, and I'm sure this will be contradicted later, Batman Incorporated happens in the Pre-Flashpoint Universe. There may be mentions of New 52 stuff, but everything in Issue 1 can be reconciled to take place before Flashpoint. And I have a feeling Morrison is going to try his darndest to keep things relatively consistent with Pre-Flashpoint.

[Admiral_Young]

^ It's already known that Batman Inc Volume One takes place Pre-52'Verse, but why Alan brought it up in the article is because it is supposed to take place in the New 52 but because of this stupid new timeline we don't really when exactly when. Like I said issue one of Volume two references Damian's incidents with Spooky and Nobody...but really as Alan pointed out this should not have taken place before "Batgirl".

As Tim Drake said...Batman needs a Robin. He's crucial as the human anchor. Without him Bruce goes off the deep end.

I do agree there are too many Bat books right now. I'd subtract Dark Knight if I was Mike Marts. Possibly take away "Batman and Robin" and give Damian his own solo title

[Trekker4747]

And not just that, pretty much any team book since if you're starting everyone out on day one, it's insane to think that they're meeting up and forming teams. And then there are characters whose origins involve being inspired by "modern" heroes. That takes Blue Beetle off the table.

I see no need to eliminate those. Why not have a JLA or Blue Beetle book that "takes place in the future" sort of how AC and Superman tie to one another?