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Old May 29 2012, 09:37 PM   #1126
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Re: "James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!

This is a thread to discuss Skyfall and not the political shenanigans of the previous film, yes?
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Old May 30 2012, 02:08 AM   #1127
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^Of course. However...I did feel the claims brought up--in this thread--by the other side warranted an answer. It may be tacky to say, "Well, he started it...." But, you know--I love discussion, provided it not fall to incivility.

Anyhow, as readers can clearly see, the interpretation of the events of said film can easily vary depending on what one's leanings are--and that's precisely what I like about the film. You can argue (as I do) that Quantum is faking global warming. You can argue (as Sci does) that they are using a legitimate issue in a dishonest way.

You can argue (as I do) that they are effectively engaging in a big-government crony-capitalist (read: false capitalism used to prop up said big government) tyrrany. Or you can argue as Sci did.

The validity of either point of view depends not on the facts established in the film itself, but rather what you believe about issues of the world. And that's one of the great things about being human.
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Old May 30 2012, 09:34 AM   #1128
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Re: "James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!

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^Of course. However...I did feel the claims brought up--in this thread--by the other side warranted an answer. It may be tacky to say, "Well, he started it...." But, you know--I love discussion, provided it not fall to incivility.
Yawn.

This is a thread about Skyfall, not the political shenanigans in the previous film. You really wanted to address the thing's brought up with Sci, sure, fine, that's what PMs are for or you could create a new thread on the subject.
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Old May 30 2012, 03:33 PM   #1129
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^Uh-huh. You could, of course...kindly adress both parties in such a rebuke--or neither. Otherwise, it could easily be construed to indicate choosing sides.

However, as the rest of my previous post indicates, I am fully willing to leave well enough alone, with the agreement to disagree. I think the discussion has run its course--and that both parties would end up repeating the same points over and over.
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Old May 30 2012, 03:38 PM   #1130
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Re: "James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!

Threads on the BBS take all sorts of diversions and unexpected detours in their subjects, particularly when they're about the making of a movie and its release is some time away. I drop into this thread regularly and I had no problem with Rush and Sci's debate.
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Old May 31 2012, 12:03 AM   #1131
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^Of course. However...I did feel the claims brought up--in this thread--by the other side warranted an answer. It may be tacky to say, "Well, he started it...." But, you know--I love discussion, provided it not fall to incivility.
Yawn.

This is a thread about Skyfall, not the political shenanigans in the previous film. You really wanted to address the thing's brought up with Sci, sure, fine, that's what PMs are for or you could create a new thread on the subject.
The film is still another 5 or six months away (depending on where you live). People can only discuss the teaser so many times. I think if the subject veers off into other Bond related talks shouldn't be a problem.

Or you know, you could use your posts to get the thread back on topic rather than complaining about other people.
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Old May 31 2012, 09:05 AM   #1132
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I'm still tittering at the notion of Bond as a left wing hero...

The guy works for the Establishment, hell when alls' said and done the guy works for the Queen!!
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Old May 31 2012, 03:18 PM   #1133
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^ Yes, I think that notorious right-winger and racist Ian Fleming might have rolled in his grave at the idea!
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Old May 31 2012, 03:30 PM   #1134
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Don't be silly, rolling in graves is the sort of low behaviour foreigners get up to, not English gentlemen!
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Old May 31 2012, 03:46 PM   #1135
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^I'm only a silly mick, I wouldn't know!
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Old May 31 2012, 09:47 PM   #1136
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I'm still tittering at the notion of Bond as a left wing hero...

The guy works for the Establishment, hell when alls' said and done the guy works for the Queen!!
I didn't say Bond was a left-wing hero, I said Quantum was really far to the right.
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Old June 1 2012, 02:11 AM   #1137
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^And I say...Dominic Greene (of Greene Planet) is a fictionalized Albert Gore, Jr.!
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Old June 1 2012, 02:48 AM   #1138
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I'm still tittering at the notion of Bond as a left wing hero...

The guy works for the Establishment, hell when alls' said and done the guy works for the Queen!!
I didn't say Bond was a left-wing hero, I said Quantum was really far to the right.
^And I say...Dominic Greene (of Greene Planet) is a fictionalized Albert Gore, Jr.!
Considering that Al Gore is a neoliberal corporate apologist with right-leaning economic policies, I am glad to hear that we agree.
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Old June 2 2012, 01:54 AM   #1139
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Oh, for Pete's sake....

But hey--this mindset frankly explains a lot. If Al Gore is a right-winger next to this one...sheesh....


Needless to say, I give up. For now.
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Old June 3 2012, 11:12 PM   #1140
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I'm still unsure why the fact that Quntum were mimicing a right wing plot makes them right wing? Are they in it for money and power, well duh, but there are plenty of left leaning organisations/individuals out there who've done the same thing? None of the Politburo ever lived in poverty after all.
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