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Old May 30 2012, 05:16 AM   #106
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Thing is, no one on the ship (military or civilian) liked Rush and at that point a lot of them were blaming him for stranding them out there. So why would anyone turn on Young for ditching Rush?
Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.
But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.
Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.
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Old May 30 2012, 10:02 AM   #107
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Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.
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Old May 30 2012, 06:31 PM   #108
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Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.
Just curious, where did that name for the Blue Fish Group come from?
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Old May 31 2012, 03:04 AM   #109
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Yeah, I thought we had settled on Sombreroid? Or rather I had and was forcing it on everyone else.
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Old May 31 2012, 11:25 AM   #110
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Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.
Just curious, where did that name for the Blue Fish Group come from?
The producers I think, probably Mallozzi.
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Old June 1 2012, 01:16 AM   #111
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Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.
But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.
Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.
A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.
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Old June 1 2012, 12:16 PM   #112
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The ship on the planet was the same Nakai one that we saw leave Destiny in the pilot I believe.
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Old June 1 2012, 07:08 PM   #113
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But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.
Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.
A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.


But nobody could have known any of that! When Young left Rush on the planet, he planned for Rush to die there. It doesn't matter that it was a cliffhanger or that Chloe would later be captured by aliens. I'm talking about what Young intended to do at the time he abandoned Rush to die.
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Old June 2 2012, 02:57 AM   #114
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Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.
A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.


But nobody could have known any of that! When Young left Rush on the planet, he planned for Rush to die there. It doesn't matter that it was a cliffhanger or that Chloe would later be captured by aliens. I'm talking about what Young intended to do at the time he abandoned Rush to die.
I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.
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Old June 2 2012, 03:28 AM   #115
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I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.
Based on Stargate physics seen in both SG-1 and SGU, there's a decent chance that they wouldn't be alive if Rush hadn't dialed the 9th chevron.
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Old June 2 2012, 10:54 AM   #116
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I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.
Based on Stargate physics seen in both SG-1 and SGU, there's a decent chance that they wouldn't be alive if Rush hadn't dialed the 9th chevron.
We don't know that and in any event it was Eli dialed Destiny not Rush, there's no proof they'd alll be dead if they have dialed earth instead of Destiny.
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Old June 2 2012, 12:57 PM   #117
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I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.
Yeah, Young is in charge and it's not a democracy - because Young says so. He basically set up a military dictatorship. It's no wonder there was a mutiny.
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Old June 2 2012, 01:45 PM   #118
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Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus. And the civilians were always well treated by Young and the military personnel. In fact, Young publically beat the shit out of one his men for picking on a civilian. There was no grounds for a mutiny.
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Old June 2 2012, 03:31 PM   #119
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Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus.
Says who? The US military has no jurisdiction on Destiny, something even Young later began to allude to himself.

And the civilians were always well treated by Young and the military personnel. In fact, Young publically beat the shit out of one his men for picking on a civilian. There was no grounds for a mutiny.
He stranded one of them on an alien planet and left him there to die, lied about it, then tried to cover his tracks in such a way that would have killed Chloe too.
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Old June 3 2012, 01:59 AM   #120
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Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus.
Says who? The US military has no jurisdiction on Destiny, something even Young later began to allude to himself.
Icarus was a US military base, and Young its commanding officer. Though the base is destroyed, and everyone has relocated to a starship, it's mostly the same people there and Young was still their commander. And thanks to the stones, they remained in contact with Earth, General O'Neill and the IOA and no one ever rescinded Young's authority. Except for the episode Earth, but even then, they replaced him with another military officer who stone-swapped in (Telford).
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