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Old May 23 2012, 03:31 AM   #1111
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Well, heck--SHIELD was pretty good.

That being said, there WAS a big joke about it throughout Iron Man. Still....
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Old May 23 2012, 08:43 AM   #1112
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Good teaser but I didn't really get a "bond" vibe from it. Hopefully I will from the Trailer later this year, and I am still looking forward to this movie. Might need to see Quantum of Solace (and maybe Casino Royale) again though as it's been a while.
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Old May 23 2012, 08:28 PM   #1113
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^Well...keep in mind, this film will be stand-alone. There won't be any stuff about QUANTUM. Rather like Goldfinger had nothing to do with SPECTERE.
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Old May 23 2012, 08:31 PM   #1114
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^I think that was a good call on their part, particularly given the longer than normal break between QoS and Skyfall.
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Old May 23 2012, 09:57 PM   #1115
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^Well...keep in mind, this film will be stand-alone. There won't be any stuff about QUANTUM. Rather like Goldfinger had nothing to do with SPECTERE.
I think that was a good call on their part, particularly given the longer than normal break between QoS and Skyfall.
I'm disappointed Quantum won't be returning, actually. I think it's an intriguing concept that hasn't yet been used to its full potential.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:39 AM   #1116
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Well, frankly, neither was SPECTERE, particularly, in the first two Connery films--though their role in FRWL was pretty good. Then a break, with Goldfinger....

In Thunderball, though, I think the concept really hit its stride--holding the free world at ransom with the threat of a nuclear holocaust! And in YOLT, they played the two sides in the Cold War to the brink of war.

And then--that was it. The concept crashed after that. *sigh*


(Incidently, Thunderball is probably my all-time favorite of all the Bond films I've ever seen--with Casino in close second....)
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Old May 25 2012, 01:19 PM   #1117
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And then--that was it. The concept crashed after that. *sigh*
That probably had something to do with the rights to Thunderball and SPECTRE being given to Kevin McClory.

I don't think Blofeld's organization is referred to onscreen as Spectre after You Only Live Twice. Though I may be misremembering.
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Old May 25 2012, 04:20 PM   #1118
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I'm pretty sure Blofeld was also "given" to McClory, too. And...Lazenby's Bond discussed SPECTRE with Tracy's father, in their first meeting.
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Old May 25 2012, 10:34 PM   #1119
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Well Blofeld is seen again in FYEO...or at least some other baldy bloke with a cat is.

Maybe Roger Moore offed Dr Evil?
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Old May 26 2012, 05:50 AM   #1120
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And then--that was it. The concept crashed after that. *sigh*
That probably had something to do with the rights to Thunderball and SPECTRE being given to Kevin McClory.

I don't think Blofeld's organization is referred to onscreen as Spectre after You Only Live Twice. Though I may be misremembering.
SPECTRE is briefly referred to in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. But not to the extent that it is in the previous few films.
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Old May 29 2012, 06:00 AM   #1121
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Re-watching both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace tonight. Interestingly, Quantum's plot in Solace, to seize control of Bolivia's newly privatized fresh water supply under the auspices of a puppet government indebted to them, strongly resembles the real-life Bolivian "Water Wars" of 2000.

So much for Quantum being both leftists and rightists.
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Old May 29 2012, 09:00 AM   #1122
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But they are, Green says so. Quantum will work with the left or the right, they have no interest in politics, only money/power.
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But they are, Green says so. Quantum will work with the left or the right, they have no interest in politics, only money/power.
Actually, rewatching that scene, what he's saying is, We don't care who it is that's in power; we'll bribe them, threaten them, corrupt them, do whatever we have to do to put them under our thumb. You can sign our deal to give us control of Bolivia's water supply once we put you in power, or we'll kill you.

He's not saying that Quantum itself is both leftist and rightist; he's saying, they'll buy off or threaten any government, be it nominally leftist or rightist, so long as they get what they want. And meanwhile, their plot is one that's actually been used by real-life rightists.
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Old May 29 2012, 08:30 PM   #1124
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Re-watching both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace tonight. Interestingly, Quantum's plot in Solace, to seize control of Bolivia's newly privatized fresh water supply--
Nationalization of a private industry, mind you --

under the auspices of a puppet government indebted to them, strongly resembles the real-life Bolivian "Water Wars" of 2000.

So much for Quantum being both leftists and rightists.
Ah...if you're referring to the organization, I never said that. They are apolitical, using both to further their agenda.

Beyond that--

And meanwhile, their plot is one that's actually been used by real-life rightists.
And what are their methods? Effectively, to fake climate change.

Observe Mr. Greene--with a name like "Green", amusingly enough --posing as an enviromental activist blaming the drought on...destruction of the rain forest. This is as a front to excuse his buying up of the land in question.

Further, when we first hear of the drought, it's through the amusing ramblings of the taxi driver. Mathis notes to Bond and Miss Fields, "He blames the water shortage on global warming," as the taxi driver notes in his whining, "They say the glaciers are melting!"

Of course...that's not the reason, as it turns out.

Again, the movie has something both sides can delight in. I stand by that point, and apologize for nothing.
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Old May 29 2012, 08:53 PM   #1125
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Re-watching both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace tonight. Interestingly, Quantum's plot in Solace, to seize control of Bolivia's newly privatized fresh water supply--
Nationalization of a private industry, mind you
No, their plot isn't to nationalize Greene's company. The plot is to essentially have Greene's company control Bolivia's water supply with a puppet government. It's the opposite of nationalizing an industry, really. When you nationalize a company in a democracy, you put it under the control of the democratically-elected government. Quantum's plot in Solace was to end Bolivian democracy and put the Bolivian government under the control of a private company.

And meanwhile, their plot is one that's actually been used by real-life rightists.
And what are their methods? Effectively, to fake climate change.
No, their method is to use real climate change to explain their damming of the Bolivian water supply, and to then put a puppet dictator in power who will give them a monopoly on the water supply. The plot also brings to mind the behavior of Enron, which rather famously fraudulently created scarcity of supply for California's electricity back in 2000.
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