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Old May 11 2012, 05:16 PM   #91
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Re: Star Trek London - All 5 captains to be there!

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Star Trek London still not listed on the Excel event calendar. Come on, MCM! Move Expo forward a week!
From my knowledge you've not been to an event in years, so why would you want expo to be brought forward? I think that you just want to shove a spanner into the works . Not trying to be funny, but you're just on here to try and crumble the reputation of event organisers. It doesn't even matter who the organisers are, as I've seen it all from you before. It's all quite petty if I do say so. If you're not interested why don't you just not post I think your time would be better spent elsewhere if I'm honest.
To quote Wesley Snipes, Don't you people have humour anymore?

Besides, since you seem to know so much, what was the last event I went to? Come on, I'm waiting.

Shamasters doesn't need me to crumble its reputation. Joiner's been doing that very well on his own for years. It's reputation is now almost as bad as Joiner's has been for the last 20 years. I suggest you spend some quality time on Google to see what people outside of his propaganda machine think of him and what they've accused him of over the last couple of decades. Would you like some direct links? I have them all bookmarked.

If Star Trek London isn't going to be run properly by him in as much as he can't even get the advertised venue booked, then I shall be very happy to try and, to use your words, crumble his reputation by making basic factual observations.
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Old May 11 2012, 06:24 PM   #92
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Just out of curiosity Bear, what shows do you go to?
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Old May 11 2012, 07:10 PM   #93
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Re: Star Trek London - All 5 captains to be there!

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Star Trek London still not listed on the Excel event calendar. Come on, MCM! Move Expo forward a week!
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Would you like some direct links? I have them all bookmarked.

If Star Trek London isn't going to be run properly by him in as much as he can't even get the advertised venue booked, then I shall be very happy to try and, to use your words, crumble his reputation by making basic factual observations.
I'd like the links please, I've heard some very interesting stories about $howmasters/Massive Events over the years. Probably best you send by PM though.

Incidentally - I heard this years ago, so no idea if true or not - but they wouldn't be allowed to use the Excel centre usually, MCM have some sort of veto. Same with Birmingham NEC. Instead Jason tried to hold an event on the same weekend in the hotel opposite there a few years ago! It's only because this other company is doing the Trek event, Jason is just providing the guests that this can go ahead.

Strangly he promotes this as a bold step forward for the company, forgetting he was in exactly the same position for Star Wars Celebration Europe back in 2007. Same venue and all. But he got cold feet and pulled out, leaving Lucasfilm to run a very successful weekend on their own.

Jason does do some good events. He just doesn't like anyone doing them too.

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I should also note that searching Jason Joiner Showmasters also gives nothing bad. Admiral, if you won't link to a website, would you at least give us a phrase to google to back your theory up?

Edit: just seen what you added to your previous post. Ok, so I get that there wasn't much official info coming, but I don't think that's too unusual, especially in the UK. From the pinned post it looks more like they were trying until last minute to get a guest, and they were fairly upfront and refunded money when forced to cancel.
If you want a minor example of them being less than 100% honest, just look up the Jeri Ryan thread on their forum. The one that still says 1st time UK appearance, despite the fact they announced her just after Greatest Show got her.

It's been pointed out on several occasions, stranglely they get deleled.

Its also the only time they've ever presold autographs for an event (normally you take your chance on the day)

Its almost as if they wanted people to commit money to her at the comic con before they'd find out she was doing another event.

All I know is, you'd feel a little miffed if she pulled out of the second event, leaving you knowing you could have got her at the former had you been told about it.
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Old May 13 2012, 03:36 PM   #94
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Re: Star Trek London - All 5 captains to be there!

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Star Trek London still not listed on the Excel event calendar. Come on, MCM! Move Expo forward a week!
From my knowledge you've not been to an event in years, so why would you want expo to be brought forward? I think that you just want to shove a spanner into the works . Not trying to be funny, but you're just on here to try and crumble the reputation of event organisers. It doesn't even matter who the organisers are, as I've seen it all from you before. It's all quite petty if I do say so. If you're not interested why don't you just not post I think your time would be better spent elsewhere if I'm honest.
To quote Wesley Snipes, Don't you people have humour anymore?

Besides, since you seem to know so much, what was the last event I went to? Come on, I'm waiting.

Shamasters doesn't need me to crumble its reputation. Joiner's been doing that very well on his own for years. It's reputation is now almost as bad as Joiner's has been for the last 20 years. I suggest you spend some quality time on Google to see what people outside of his propaganda machine think of him and what they've accused him of over the last couple of decades. Would you like some direct links? I have them all bookmarked.

If Star Trek London isn't going to be run properly by him in as much as he can't even get the advertised venue booked, then I shall be very happy to try and, to use your words, crumble his reputation by making basic factual observations.
The part about your last event was taken from the RedCarpet forum, as i've been a member on there a few years (* not been a member there for years but used to browse, became a member once the posts were locked from public), and i seem to recall you saying at some point either last year or earlier this year that you've not been to an event since somewhere around 2006? (sorry if year is wrong, it was a while back that i read the post).
But i've been on the Showmasters forum for a very long time and I remember the light hearted posts you used to make and how you used to always be pleasant. I was away from the forums for a while so i missed the point where you got banned, but i was there for a lot of your rantings over various organisers on redcarpet. Including 'Sean the Shite' and Showmasters.

If you do insist on links, i would like to have them pm'd to me, however i can't send pms as i have not reached the 50 post count.

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Old May 13 2012, 06:56 PM   #95
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Deleted (see below) - sorry, I didn't realise that quoting from another forum was breaking the board rules. Rule makes sense, though.

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Old May 13 2012, 07:12 PM   #96
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Re: Star Trek London - All 5 captains to be there!

Cakemonster and DuckBill, don't bring stuff from other forums in here. This is against the board rules. Please see the part of the FAQ about privacy for more. This is relatively harmless and I think Admiral Bear has already stated these things in here somewhere. However, don't do it again or there will be infractions.
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Old May 13 2012, 08:03 PM   #97
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My apologies.

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Old May 13 2012, 09:36 PM   #98
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Sorry about that. I only pop on here to check that it's updated but I do get a little out of sorts when I see some posts. I assure you I will only post updates and chat from now on
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Old May 13 2012, 09:37 PM   #99
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Just read the FAQ and try to follow it and you're good.
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Old May 14 2012, 05:15 PM   #100
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For those of you interested, type "Jason Joiner star wars fake" in to google. Most of the meaty stuff is on Star Wars collectors forums. You will find very little dirt on Showmasters because Joiner's contantly googling himself and trolls any external forum where he or Shamasters are criticised, with the aim of getting the criticism removed or at least rubbished by members of his propoganda machine.

If all Shamasters are doing with Trek London is getting the guests, that should be enough of a worry in itself. Given that he twice *tried* to run Warp 10, eventually giving the excuse of not being able to get guests as the reason for cancelling the event, if we are to believe that he had the financial resources and best intention to run the event in the first place, his ability to attract anyone of worth from the Trek universe has been severely destroyed by his own excuses. Yet we are meant to believe that he's aquired the services of all 5 series Trek Captains for 3 days straight.

As a side point, there are rumours flying around that Joiner was thrown out of Greatest Show in the Galaxy at the weekend after kicking up a load of trouble. Wasn't there, so can't comment. Like I said earlier, he doesn't need anyone but himself to destroy his reputation.

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Old May 14 2012, 08:17 PM   #101
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Re: Star Trek London - All 5 captains to be there!

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If all Shamasters are doing with Trek London is getting the guests, that should be enough of a worry in itself. Given that he twice *tried* to run Warp 10, eventually giving the excuse of not being able to get guests as the reason for cancelling the event, if we are to believe that he had the financial resources and best intention to run the event in the first place, his ability to attract anyone of worth from the Trek universe has been severely destroyed by his own excuses. Yet we are meant to believe that he's aquired the services of all 5 series Trek Captains for 3 days straight.
Heavens, I hate it that I'm defending him here, but...

He'd not admit it, but without a stellar lineup, the first time they were failing to sell many tickets. No tickets, no money to get big guests. The second time he planned to have it the same weekend as a major US event, so was struggling to get top rate guests.

With a major promotional company behind him, of course he has the contacts to book 4 Star Trek captains and Scott Bakula. They've all done events for him before.
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Old May 15 2012, 10:10 AM   #102
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Heavens, I hate it that I'm defending him here, but...

He'd not admit it, but without a stellar lineup, the first time they were failing to sell many tickets. No tickets, no money to get big guests.
This is what I have a big problem with. His whole weekend convention scam is built around announcing events and only running them if he sells enough tickets. He's been running this business model for years. It's unprofessional and unethical. If you advertise an event, you run it. Period. End of. Creation have been running every single event they advertise for 30 years. If they don't sell enough tickets to make an event or an event in a certain location viable, they don't run it again. This is exactly why they stopped running a yearly Trek event in London. Joiner didn't help himself one jot by going on his forum two weeks after first announcing Warp 10 and slagging off the world and his dog for not buying tickets.

Even in its current death throes, the SF Ball is still getting about 250 people turn up. Joiner's problem is that most UK Star Trek convention attendees are well past the age of 30 and have enough between their ears to not have anything to do with him, unlike most of the Shamasters fan base who are about 16-25 and don't care about being ripped off as long as they think they're having a good time. Not difficult since most of them seem to be very easily pleased. But then if you hang around with Joiner, you're not allowed to be anything else. You'll also probably get fleas.

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The second time he planned to have it the same weekend as a major US event, so was struggling to get top rate guests.
Something which he was repeatedly told about from the start and yet refused to move the date so that he stood a chance of getting a couple of quality guests.
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Old May 16 2012, 09:23 AM   #103
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[Joiner didn't help himself one jot by going on his forum two weeks after first announcing Warp 10 and slagging off the world and his dog for not buying tickets.
I thought it was closer to two days (after it went online) way too soon for panic stations, but yes that 'surely there must be more Trekies than this' was a classic.
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Old May 16 2012, 10:59 AM   #104
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I thought it was closer to two days
It probably was! Memory isn't what it used to be, and AB's not getting any younger.
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Old May 19 2012, 04:31 AM   #105
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While I agree that the forum is run pretty strictly, not liking negative comments etc, I have mostly good things to say about Showmasters events. I've been to three of them so far (Collectormania 15, LFCC 2010 & LFCC 2011) and am going on my fourth (Collectormania) in two weeks to meet Nichelle Nichols. So far I've managed to meet Nimoy, Shatner & Koenig and I'll be forever grateful for making them available to us in Europe.

I'm 99% sure of going to Destination Star Trek London, mostly for the experience so far, but if George Takei is scheduled it will be mainly for him as I have then met the remaining five main cast members of TOS.
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