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View Poll Results: How do you grade The Avengers?
A+ 149 46.42%
A 102 31.78%
A- 30 9.35%
B+ 17 5.30%
B 11 3.43%
B- 5 1.56%
C+ 0 0%
C 4 1.25%
C- 1 0.31%
D+ 1 0.31%
D 0 0%
D- 0 0%
F 1 0.31%
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Old May 17 2012, 01:58 AM   #1036
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Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

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I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie.
Of course, if they left it in, they would later have to explain how Captain America could have been laying in the ice below and not inside a plane like he was in his own movie.
Was Captain America even filming at that point? They could have worked the ending to Cap to work with what happened in TIH, had that original opening been left in and not deleted.
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Old May 17 2012, 02:03 AM   #1037
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I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie.
Of course, if they left it in, they would later have to explain how Captain America could have been laying in the ice below and not inside a plane like he was in his own movie.
Was Captain America even filming at that point? They could have worked the ending to Cap to work with what happened in TIH, had that original opening been left in and not deleted.
I don't think they even had a script yet. So, I would assume they would have made Cap's fate match what was seen there.
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Old May 17 2012, 02:38 AM   #1038
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I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie.
Of course, if they left it in, they would later have to explain how Captain America could have been laying in the ice below and not inside a plane like he was in his own movie.
Simple just say in a Captain America sequel that its the other psychotic Captain America. I mean there had to be a reason Reinstein's serum was left in storage and Ross being worried about side effects.
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Old May 17 2012, 04:00 AM   #1039
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The worry over side effects might be due to information about the Red Skull.

I'd rather have the Cap sequel be about him fighting the Zemo family: His grandfather in WWII and his grandson in present day (I know the present Zemo is the WWII's son, but that's a bit much now).
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Old May 17 2012, 01:49 PM   #1040
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Abridged Scripts takes on The Avengers

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Captain America to Loki:

"Stop you? I just want to stand next to someone wearing a more ridiculous outfit than me. I'm pretty sure I'm in a blue spandex hoodie."
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Old May 17 2012, 02:27 PM   #1041
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Abridged Scripts takes on The Avengers

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Captain America to Loki:

"Stop you? I just want to stand next to someone wearing a more ridiculous outfit than me. I'm pretty sure I'm in a blue spandex hoodie."
CLARK GREGG: “Don't worry, we've sent a guy on 1940s steroids with a buckler shield to bring him in. Just in case that fails, though, we need you to bring in Mark Ruffalo. He's the new Hulk because apparently Edward Norton is a detestable cunt to work with.”
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Old May 17 2012, 02:36 PM   #1042
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I loved the story of the little boy getting to meet the Avengers.

The Evans' mother must be a sweet lady. I heard something similar about her and her other actor son. What is his name? I think it is Scott. I don't recall the particulars though.

It was great of Tom Hiddleston to be so kind.

I went back last night and watched it for the second time. I really don't remember what I gave it in the poll but I would still go for a solid B+ or A.

I would say that The Dark Knight is my favorite comic book movie of all time. It is in A+ territory all by itself.

However, I value The Avengers for different things.

I don't feel that it got bogged down by exposition. I don't feel that they just blew shit up to take up screen time. And, it actually worked well as an ensemble film. I don't feel that any of the characters were really short changed, and it did a great job of introducing characters from a slew of films that many people may not have seen.

Personally I had only seen Thor and the 1st Iron Man. But the characters were introduced into this movie in such a way that I understood enough of their backstory to get what they were doing in the film.

The movie was not vulgar nor did I feel it to be condescending and mindless either.

Any more too many movies go for the cheap joke or just explosion after explosion to hide their lack of plot.

Was it Shakespeare? (Not even Shakespeare in the park.) However, it was well paced, pretty well written and good fun.

I left the movie theater having had a good time and did not feel cheated or slimy.
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Old May 17 2012, 08:35 PM   #1043
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I left the movie theater having had a good time and did not feel cheated or slimy.
Agreed. The movie is a big helping of fun and entertainment, without being obnoxious or stupid. It has the added excitement of the team-up, of course. But mostly it has the laughs, the fun and the spectacle, while maintaining just enough self-deprecation and self-awareness.
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Old May 18 2012, 07:22 PM   #1044
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Marvel has relased a nice big timeline for the MCU as it stands currently. Too bad they didn't do this for each release as I know we've all been pulling our hair out to get the timeline synched up!!

"Before Iron Man"
"After Iron Man"

On the seventh day, Joss Whedon created The Avengers. Marvel has released a new infographic movie timeline that highlights specific super-heroic instances in time and places them in the context of The Avengers and the individual movies that built up to it. While The Avengers franchise no doubt revolves around Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man, the new infographic has made him into a pseudo-Christ figure by demarcating the timeline with BIM (“Before Iron Man”) and AIM (“After Iron Man”).
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Old May 18 2012, 08:28 PM   #1045
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I prefer THIS ONE which puts things on specific dates and and sort of makes it a little more clearer when they take place. Though it does seem to be a "fan produced" one so the specific dates it cites aren't likely to be accurate.

That Marvel one is a bit hard to understand given that we're not given dates or anything just "x-hours later", "days later" and such and the callouts aren't entirely clear on where they are in relation to one another. (EDIT: I see they're using Tony Stark's "I am Iron Man" as "point 0" so everything is based around that. Which is still an odd way of doing things and makes it difficult to real pin down "when" everything is.)
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Old May 18 2012, 09:13 PM   #1046
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Yeah, the only way to really narrow down "when" everything takes place is by using the final Captain America entry. According to Marvel, Cap crashes the bomber in 1945, sixty-four years "BIM." That means IM1 takes place in 2009, and every movie after that in 2010, which is when the fan-made timeline that Trekker linked to (which I also prefer) was at least right about that.
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Old May 18 2012, 09:42 PM   #1047
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It's pretty clear from the movies and hints in them that Iron Man 2, TIH ad Thor all pretty much take place at the same time. (In Iron Man 2 in the SHIELD office at the end footage of the battle with Hulk at the University can be seen on one of the screens, also in the movie Coulson mentions going on a mission which the end-credits scene shows was recovering Mjolnir in the desert.)

Iron Man is obviously the earliest point in the MCU (other than, of course, the 1940s time period of CA and the BCE portions of Thor.) The only movie that's hard to "peg down" is Captain America as there's not much to clue us in on when he woke-up in present day.
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Old May 18 2012, 09:46 PM   #1048
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Details of the release in DVD/bluray have emerged:

http://www.joblo.com/blu-rays-dvds/n...d-this-fall-02

Of note, the list of deleted scenes and a new Marvel One-Shot short film (the third), Item 47.


4-Disc BD Combo Pack, 2-Disc BD Combo Pack and 2-Disc DVD Combo Pack
1. AUDIO COMMENTARY BY DIRECTOR JOSS WHEDON
2. MARVEL ONE-SHOT: ITEM 47
3. SECOND SCREEN
4. GAG REEL
4. DELETED SCENES
- Alternate Opening - Maria Hill Interrogation
- Extended Scene - Loki & Barton Strategize
- Steve Rogers - Man Out of Time
- Nick Fury & World Security Council
- Extended Viaduct Fight - Raw Footage
- Fury & Hill Discuss the World Security Council
- Extended Scene - Banner and Security Guard
- Alternate Ending - Maria Hill Interrogation
5. FEATURETTES
- A Visual Journey
- Assembling the Ultimate Team
6. SOUNDGARDEN MUSIC VIDEO - "Live to Rise"

DVD
1. AUDIO COMMENTARY BY DIRECTOR JOSS WHEDON
2. FEATURETTES
- Assembling the Ultimate Team
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Old May 18 2012, 09:48 PM   #1049
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It's pretty clear from the movies and hints in them that Iron Man 2, TIH ad Thor all pretty much take place at the same time. (In Iron Man 2 in the SHIELD office at the end footage of the battle with Hulk at the University can be seen on one of the screens, also in the movie Coulson mentions going on a mission which the end-credits scene shows was recovering Mjolnir in the desert.)

Iron Man is obviously the earliest point in the MCU (other than, of course, the 1940s time period of CA and the BCE portions of Thor.) The only movie that's hard to "peg down" is Captain America as there's no much to clue us in on when he woke-up in present day.
All we know is that Cap was found one year after all the other movies (per Fury's Big Week), which would be May 2011.
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Old May 18 2012, 09:53 PM   #1050
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I finally managed to collect all of the Fury Prelude books, need to give them a read.
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