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View Poll Results: How do you grade The Avengers?
A+ 149 46.42%
A 102 31.78%
A- 30 9.35%
B+ 17 5.30%
B 11 3.43%
B- 5 1.56%
C+ 0 0%
C 4 1.25%
C- 1 0.31%
D+ 1 0.31%
D 0 0%
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Old May 17 2012, 12:07 AM   #1021
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Of the Avengers we have seen thus far RDJ as Tony Stark has had the most face time. Plus, you would be blowing up the great chem Stark had with Bruce Banner 3.0. (or would it be 4.0 or 4.5 considering other actors?)
As far as the MCU is concerned Mark Ruffalo is only Banner 2.0
3.0 - before him there was Eric Bana and Ed. Norton.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:13 AM   #1022
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Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

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Of the Avengers we have seen thus far RDJ as Tony Stark has had the most face time. Plus, you would be blowing up the great chem Stark had with Bruce Banner 3.0. (or would it be 4.0 or 4.5 considering other actors?)
As far as the MCU is concerned Mark Ruffalo is only Banner 2.0
3.0 - before him there was Eric Bana and Ed. Norton.
But as far as the Marvel Cinematic Universe is concerned Ruffalo is only the second Banner/Hulk. The Bana movie is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:17 AM   #1023
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Of the Avengers we have seen thus far RDJ as Tony Stark has had the most face time. Plus, you would be blowing up the great chem Stark had with Bruce Banner 3.0. (or would it be 4.0 or 4.5 considering other actors?)
As far as the MCU is concerned Mark Ruffalo is only Banner 2.0
3.0 - before him there was Eric Bana and Ed. Norton.
2.0. Bana's Banner (heh) wasn't a part of the MCU.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:19 AM   #1024
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Of the Avengers we have seen thus far RDJ as Tony Stark has had the most face time. Plus, you would be blowing up the great chem Stark had with Bruce Banner 3.0. (or would it be 4.0 or 4.5 considering other actors?)
As far as the MCU is concerned Mark Ruffalo is only Banner 2.0
3.0 - before him there was Eric Bana and Ed. Norton.
The correct answer is that there is only ONE Bruce Banner and he was played to perfection by Mark Ruffalo in Avengers.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:25 AM   #1025
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Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

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As far as the MCU is concerned Mark Ruffalo is only Banner 2.0
3.0 - before him there was Eric Bana and Ed. Norton.
The correct answer is that there is only ONE Bruce Banner and he was played to perfection by Mark Ruffalo in Avengers.
This is true. It took three tries but they finally found the perfect Banner/Hulk.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:35 AM   #1026
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I dunno. I can't imagine The Ruff playing a suicidal character. Show me a prequel where he's at his lowest ebb and throws himself off of the edge of a building only to land as the Hulk, and I might be convinced that he's the definitive Bruce.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:38 AM   #1027
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I dunno. I can't imagine The Ruff playing a suicidal character. Show me a prequel where he's at his lowest ebb and throws himself off of the edge of a building only to land as the Hulk, and I might be convinced that he's the definitive Bruce.
I thought Mark Ruffalo pretty much covered that well enough with his eating a bullet line in this movie. Too bad we didn't get to see it though.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:44 AM   #1028
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^ Yeah, but it was a relatively warm and fuzzy I-tried-to-kill-myself line.

Actually, I think that Banner is referencing the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk that was apparently going to be at the start of the movie. Ed Norton's Bruce goes up a mountain to kill himself, but the Hulk has other ideas.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:52 AM   #1029
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^ Yeah, but it was a relatively warm and fuzzy I-tried-to-kill-myself line.

Actually, I think that Banner is referencing the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk that was apparently going to be at the start of the movie. Ed Norton's Bruce goes up a mountain to kill himself, but the Hulk has other ideas as we see a transformation from his POV.
I'm kind of glad that scene wasn't in the Avengers. It might have worked in TIH since that movie was pretty dark and depressing at times. But Avengers was supposed to be fun and that scene would have felt too out of place.
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Old May 17 2012, 12:54 AM   #1030
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^ Yeah, but it was a relatively warm and fuzzy I-tried-to-kill-myself line.
Ummm. It was?

It seemed rather desperate, self-loathing and anger filled; as it happened in the scene where all of our cast is in the lab arguing under the influence of Loki's scepter.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:03 AM   #1031
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Actually, I think that Banner is referencing the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk that was apparently going to be at the start of the movie. Ed Norton's Bruce goes up a mountain to kill himself, but the Hulk has other ideas as we see a transformation from his POV.
I'm kind of glad that scene wasn't in the Avengers. It might have worked in TIH since that movie was pretty dark and depressing at times. But Avengers was supposed to be fun and that scene would have felt too out of place.
It was never going to be in The Avengers. It was just a reference to TIH's deleted scene.

I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie. But Marvel got scared after what happened with Ang Lee's movie and cut out most of TIH's character scenes to make it more of a fast-paced action movie.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:17 AM   #1032
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Actually, I think that Banner is referencing the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk that was apparently going to be at the start of the movie. Ed Norton's Bruce goes up a mountain to kill himself, but the Hulk has other ideas.
In The Avengers, Banner says he pulled the trigger and the other guy spit out the bullet. He didn't do that in the clip. I got to thinking about how he could turn into the hulk fast enough to not die from a buttlet in the mouth. Maybe he healed as the hulk and stayed that way after turning back into Banner? I dunno. It was an intriguing line.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:27 AM   #1033
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^ Yeah, but it was a relatively warm and fuzzy I-tried-to-kill-myself line.
Ummm. It was?

It seemed rather desperate, self-loathing and anger filled; as it happened in the scene where all of our cast is in the lab arguing under the influence of Loki's scepter.
True, they were all a bit more agitated than was the norm for them; though in the case of Ruffalo's Banner, he's exactly the kind of person who doesn't seem to have much of an inner demon. This may be simply because he's come to terms with his condition after what's probably been six or seven years.

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I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie. But Marvel got scared after what happened with Ang Lee's movie and cut out most of TIH's character scenes to make it more of a fast-paced action movie.
I think it should have been there in some form. It would actually have been in no way inconsistent with the fast-paced-action-movie approach and could have provided an intriguing opening. No wonder Norton had issues with the presentation of the movie.

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In The Avengers, Banner says he pulled the trigger and the other guy spit out the bullet. He didn't do that in the clip. I got to thinking about how he could turn into the hulk fast enough to not die from a buttlet in the mouth. Maybe he healed as the hulk and stayed that way after turning back into Banner? I dunno. It was an intriguing line.
Well, I kind of assume that (the Hulk representing Bruce's id to some extent) the transformation was already well underway by the time that he had squeezed the trigger hard enough to release a shot. The second transformation in The Avengers took maybe three seconds, so maybe when he's not trying too hard to repress the transformation it happens really quickly. I've thought about this a little in the past, and if it takes 30 seconds to transform into a being with 900 times the strength and resilience of a normal man then maybe the frst few seconds or so would be more than enough time to be able to handle the subsequent impact.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:28 AM   #1034
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I wish they'd kept it in TIH, it would have fit the "woe is me" mentality that Banner was dealing with throughout the whole movie.
Of course, if they left it in, they would later have to explain how Captain America could have been laying in the ice below and not inside a plane like he was in his own movie.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:49 AM   #1035
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Actually, I think that Banner is referencing the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk that was apparently going to be at the start of the movie. Ed Norton's Bruce goes up a mountain to kill himself, but the Hulk has other ideas.
In The Avengers, Banner says he pulled the trigger and the other guy spit out the bullet. He didn't do that in the clip. I got to thinking about how he could turn into the hulk fast enough to not die from a buttlet in the mouth. Maybe he healed as the hulk and stayed that way after turning back into Banner? I dunno. It was an intriguing line.
When Banner "willingly" changes into the Hulk at the start of Avenger's last act he does it pretty quickly. It seems when the slow transformation to the Hulk only happens when he fights it and struggles. If he tried shooting himself the Hulk could have emerged quickly enough (granted within less than a second) to stop it. Or the gunshot was sucessful in "killing" Banner but his body transofrmed to Hulk (and healed) afterwards.
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