AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

[Trekker4747]

$1B in two weeks. Amazing. This movie is going to continue being a juggernaut there's not much between here and, what... Spider-man to pose a threat to this movie.

[Chemahkuu]

MIB3, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Prometheus all open in the next few weeks. Not really "threats" but they'll take at least a bit of attention away.

[Captaindemotion]

Finally saw it on Friday night, having been like a junkie waiting for his fix for a few weeks. Loved it. Just brilliant. I voted it an A here when I came in and with hindsight that was probably a bit mean of me. I didn't want to rush into an A+ but I think it actually did merit the higher vote.

[Star Wolf]

Chemahkuu wrote:

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MIB3, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Prometheus all open in the next few weeks. Not really "threats" but they'll take at least a bit of attention away.

Of the three I am only hearing about Prometheus, it may be one Men In Black too far. And Lincoln, sounds like Buffy

[Trekker4747]

Chemahkuu wrote:

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MIB3, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Prometheus all open in the next few weeks. Not really "threats" but they'll take at least a bit of attention away.

MIIIB might posts one of the "bigger" threats, Vampire Hunter? Ehhhh.... I think that won't have the same general appeal and same for Prometheus. While they'll do good I suspect Avengers will stay #1 for awhile.

[Captaindemotion]

^ If anything, it'll be two MIB too far!

[Trekker4747]

Captaindemotion wrote:

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^ If anything, it'll be two MIB too far!

MIIB was crummy. But what I've seen of the third movie looks actually promising.

[LaxScrutiny]

captcalhoun wrote:

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he didn't say it was, he just said the plot in TDK wasn't radically different to what's been done before.

Yeah, I guess I could have fleshed that out a bit. The Avengers isn't "new", and arguably it's structered around movies like The Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven, gathering a group of heroes to protect the town from the invading army. A movie isn't good or bad because of it's plot, and we're really being unrealistic if we judge according to plot.

TDK has a very similar plot to Batman, and I'm sure other movies if we look closely enough. The difference is characterization, theme, message, setting (Nolan's Gotham is a radically different setting than Burton's,) execution, etc.

The Avengers shouldn't be too closely compared to the TDK because they are very different stories with very different needs. The Avengers is an ensemble, and the main theme is bringing the diverse group together, seeing their conflicts between each other and seeing them overcome them and bonding into an effective team. The needs of the film demanded that no one character completely take over the film, and Whedon managed that very well. The film has a lot more in common with a movie like Kelly's Heroes than it does with TDK.

The Avengers is fun popcorn movie, and I don't want to be pretentious and claim it is particularly deep. However it does show us the distrust Steve Rogers has for Tony Stark, it shows Stark being challenged by Steve, confronting something about himself and growing because of it. It shows Rogers changing his mind, not just about Tony, but about the alien creatures he's surrounded by, the ones called "21st Century Humans." It show Rogers opening up and learning to trust and be a part of something he was terrified of.

It shows us Banner opening a small door in his wall and allowing the idea that he could just, maybe, possibly, have a chance of having somewhere in the world he could fit in and be himself; all of himself. It shows Natasha's ice cracking just enough for her to confront the journey she needs to take. It shows us Clint shooting arrows out of the coolest quiver ever, and Thor being Thor. OK, it wasn't perfect, but it had more than a plot, it had a story about people.

Structurally it was a little too linear, and this is where TDK has it beat. It never shocks us by going somewhere we aren't anticipating. What it does do, is take us to each place in an extremely well-executed fashion. More than anything, The Avengers is like a ballet. Swan Lake is not a new story, and there isn't a particularly original take on it that I've seen. The point of it isn't that it's "new." The point is that it is so well done it carries us along on the same journey as the characters we are watching.

[JD]

I honestly don't know if I could pick between The Avengers and TDK. They are two very different movies, with very different goals, and IMO they both meet those goals incredibly well. TDK is a great, dark thriller, about the battle between Batman and The Joker and the effect it has on Gotham and it's residents. The Avengers on the other hand, is a very fun comic booky action movie about a very diverse group of superheros having to come together to fight a huge world ending threat that they couldn't beat on their own.

[Warped9]

JD wrote:

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I honestly don't know if I could pick between The Avengers and TDK. They are two very different movies, with very different goals, and IMO they both meet those goals incredibly well. TDK is a great, dark thriller, about the battle between Batman and The Joker and the effect it has on Gotham and it's residents. The Avengers on the other hand, is a very fun comic booky action movie about a very diverse group of superheros having to come together to fight a huge world ending threat that they couldn't beat on their own.

Agreed. I feel much the same way. They're both great each in their own way.

[Captain Craig]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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$1B in two weeks. Amazing. This movie is going to continue being a juggernaut there's not much between here and, what... Spider-man to pose a threat to this movie.

Not Spider-man.
It's positioned horribly and outside of the 'net don't hear any hype for the film.

[Admiral James Kirk]

I wonder if Johnny Depp is pushing his butt cheeks together to staunch the flow of blood from that 103 million dollar buttfucking at the box office that Avengers gave Dark Shadows this weekend.

[Captain Craig]

What's worse is if his Lone Ranger film takes a beating from a Marvel film as well.
It opens 3 weeks after Iron Man 3 next May, 2013.

[Admiral James Kirk]

Ouch!

[CaptainCanada]

Captain Craig wrote:

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What's worse is if his Lone Ranger film takes a beating from a Marvel film as well.
It opens 3 weeks after Iron Man 3 next May, 2013.

I don't think 3 weeks will make much impact one way or another.