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Old April 19 2012, 09:40 PM   #46
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Re: Exploring a darker theme in a future star trek series

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DS9 was sufficiently dark.
I agree. I'd say that, for Star Trek, it should not go any darker than that. DS9 had it's more "serious" themes, but at the same time still knew when to have fun.
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Old April 19 2012, 10:11 PM   #47
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Darkness shouldn't be the broader tone of a new Star Trek show. That's not what's made Trek so popular for almost 50 years, and it's not going to carry an entire series anyway.



Give us an optimistic and hopeful message set against a backdrop of galactic uncertainty. Make the cosmos seem mysterious and wondrous again.

Set it about 30-40 years after the destruction of Romulus.

Give us a swashbuckling captain -- a flawed but noble man that an audience (particularly a young or young-adult audience) can enjoy following.

Give us an intelligent, personable, and diverse crew. They should both compliment and complicate their own relationships with each other and the show itself.

Give us a cool new ship.

Don't hit people over the head with a specific sociopolitical agenda. Yawn, change the channel. Employ subtlety, and it's more effective anyway.

Be serialized and episodic. They're not mutually exclusive. In a story this big, with this many possibilities, stop limiting yourself.

Stop relying on all the familiar villains and locations. Incorporate them, but don't depend on them. Create the next "Borg."

Make it a new adventure.
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Old April 20 2012, 01:16 AM   #48
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Picard was like watching a fish for seven years in a tank. Riker was a man whore. Sisko was the best, but watching him wear that ugly Picard uniform only darker and more dismal was unbearable. Odo was depressing. Quark was ass ugly. I could go on and on, but nobody likes to see disfigured ugly except at the DMV. Nobody ever had control over all the departments except Berman though they may have thought they did, they didn't.What a twenty year disaster and now something worse. The only available and emotionally accessable Captain was Kirk. Maybe they should base it on new Romulus and the political ramifications of that. Getting lost in the Delta quadrant was a wrong message to base a series on. The NX-01 was a stupid design because it was already obsolete. How stupid and short sighted do you have to be to work at Paramount? Braga is a very weak willed sort. But Berman was a tank.
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Old May 11 2012, 02:01 AM   #49
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Sjaddix wrote: View Post
DS9 was sufficiently dark.
It wasn't a question of simply being dark, it was the strong character development that made the darkness pleasant.


Anyhow bsg wasn't that dark you guys need to get more in touch with the real world.


Anyhow I don't think star trek should get dystopian, the utopian ideals should get explored farther, but in adult terms.
Utopia in pragmatic terms isn't perfect. I think any future series should explore the true costs of living in a utopia.

Their are obvious restrictions in terms of personal freedom,
anti drugs, anti gene moding, anti capitalistic etc.

A civilization based on colonization (it's a wagon trail afterall)
should explore the environmental risks of living on the frontier. Radiation exposure, unstable planets etc. This can create a great deal of conflict, and story if done over the arc of several episodes. Prime example is the episode where picard relived a lifetime in a dieing civilization.

If it's an adult world, explore the different cultures of these different worlds. Not in a value based system, where some message is forced onto the audience, but in more of a passive secondary way, where part of the adventure is in the discovery of theses cultures.

Don't just glorify the role of a ships captain, play up the role of legal experts, paramedics, firefighters, biologist etc, this is something trek can be great at. Even an episode on train spotting can be great if you play on the right themes.

If a utopia, is free of sexual diseases, fit, and free of social constructs, explore what this means. A future where the captain believes is having relations with everyone and anyone could provide some very interest character development. If done discretely.
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Old May 12 2012, 12:40 AM   #50
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Re: Exploring a darker theme in a future star trek series

[QUOTE=EmoBorg;6189337]With the success of BSG among sci fi fans, QUOTE]

What makes you think the new BSG was a success among sci fi fans?

From what I've observed it was really getting massive criticism from fans for its last couple of seasons and was never a huge ratings winner.
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Old May 12 2012, 01:18 AM   #51
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nuBSG was only a modest ratings success. I don't think there's a terribly strong appetite for dark & dire space opera. If Robert Hewitt Wolfe goes lighter and more morally simple with Defender (assuming we ever see it), I think that could get a wider audience - something that hits around the level of TOS for moral complexity. Don't ignore or sugarcoat it, but in the end, the good guys need to win.
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Old May 12 2012, 03:42 AM   #52
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TerraNovan wrote: View Post

Anyhow bsg wasn't that dark you guys need to get more in touch with the real world.
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Old May 13 2012, 12:17 AM   #53
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I've got an idea..

Emo Trek or Goth Trek...Those are dark, right?
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Old May 13 2012, 03:07 AM   #54
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MANT! wrote: View Post
I've got an idea..

Emo Trek or Goth Trek...Those are dark, right?
I don't know enough about Goth to venture an opinion, but emo ANYTHING is something that needs to be dial back considerably.
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Old May 13 2012, 04:06 PM   #55
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Re: Exploring a darker theme in a future star trek series

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With the success of BSG among sci fi fans, QUOTE]

What makes you think the new BSG was a success among sci fi fans?

From what I've observed it was really getting massive criticism from fans for its last couple of seasons and was never a huge ratings winner.
BSG suffered from production issues, having a six year span, for what amounts to two regular seasons causes more than a few issues.


BSG whether or not it is a ratings success is a major game changer to sci fi as a genre. Terra nova, and SGU, are obvious proof's of this.

As far as the darkness of bsg, I think your out of the loop. Shows like breaking bad, sons of anarchy, rescue, mad men, are all dark as well. When you factor in our recent love affair with disaster films it fits right in.
Granted some of the filler eps did meander into some really blah episodes, but it had nothing to do with darkness.
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Old May 14 2012, 03:43 AM   #56
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I've got an idea..

Emo Trek or Goth Trek...Those are dark, right?
I don't know enough about Goth to venture an opinion, but emo ANYTHING is something that needs to be dial back considerably.
Try the Goth thing..

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Old May 14 2012, 07:13 AM   #57
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Well I keep on thinking about this darker theme and you know what it keeps coming on my mind? SG:U. Sg1 and SG:A never were really dark in tone, I might even say they were Star Trekish. So bring on to this equation SG:U and you can see the fans reaction. I like darker themes, you like darker themes, but the real question is what will be the general reaction among fans, and will a darker series bring on more audience, or maybe loose even more ...
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Old May 14 2012, 09:14 AM   #58
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Darkness of a sci-fi drama like Star Trek should be a byproduct of theme and character exploration, rather than an end goal in and of itself. Deep Space 9 went into shades of gray territory and heavier plots because it was a setting built on various differing peoples and groups dealing with each other and what the results of such encounters would be.

Really I'd say the most interesting element for a new Trek series to build upon would not be darkness per say, but rather consequences. That was one of the main issues of Voyager and to a lesser degree Enterprise; they were shows where the characters actions didn't seem to really matter in the long term, and the effects of various episodes just weren't felt.

There is a place for serialized Star Trek show illustrating the blowback caused by the character's actions & in-actions, especially given we are in the most continuity driven era of dramatic television ever.

While I'm not against giving the characters real flaws and depth, I think the most radical thing a new Trek could do is bringing back real heroes as the main characters in an era of so many morally compromised protagonists (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, just to name a few).
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Old May 14 2012, 04:57 PM   #59
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Re: Exploring a darker theme in a future star trek series

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I've got an idea..

Emo Trek or Goth Trek...Those are dark, right?
I don't know enough about Goth to venture an opinion, but emo ANYTHING is something that needs to be dial back considerably.
Try the Goth thing..

So, what you're saying is that Goth and emo are the same thing?
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Old May 14 2012, 11:47 PM   #60
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pretty much..just different styles in dress...Goth folks use capes and fishnets a lot while wearing black everything..
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