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Old May 10 2012, 06:04 PM   #136
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Re: what's next for Marvel (movies)?

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I hope that future films restore the idea of secret identies. It's a core element of the appeal of many superheroes.
It's especially important for Captain America, for several reasons:
-He's a symbol of all that's good in America. The man SHOULD be anonymous. He could be any of us.
-As a living symbol of America, he needs to be able to move among us as one of us.
-As a man out of his time, he should be able to live a normal life and be able to contrast it with his upbringing.
- I just plain liked Steve Rogers, commercial artist, and his neighbors, his girlfriend Bernie... the whole bit.
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Old May 10 2012, 06:09 PM   #137
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The transition from secret to public identity is wrought with entertainment.

Dear god what happened to Daredevil, his girlfriend sold his secret to the Kingpin for a shot of heroin, yet still it took 30 years for a newspaper to run with it, and what was Matt Murdocks reply?

"Lawsuit"

Spider-Man was just about publicly raped by Tony Stark.

What the hells up with the Fantastic Four?

How rarely, few and inbetween do we ever say "Mr Fantastic"?

It's just a waste of resources to try and maintain that that "name" has any worth.
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Old May 10 2012, 06:17 PM   #138
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So Guy is this your real personality or are you copying your fictional counterpoint....?????

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Old May 10 2012, 06:33 PM   #139
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How are secret identities less real than the extravagant fantasy elements?

I depends on the character. It brings a sense of humanity to them. Think of celebrities. We may know their real names, but do we really know how they are in their private lives?

While the superhero community and the government know that Banner is the Hulk, I doubt the average person knows or thinks about it. Like the old man who saw the Hulk fall from the sky.
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Old May 10 2012, 06:41 PM   #140
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I noticed a minor detail in The Avengers. Towards the end a news reporter says that "Tony Stark's Iron Man Has been spotted" or something like that. Not sure if it means anything. But their could be skepticism whether he really wears the suit all the time.
Or they are doing that to tell Iron Man apart from War Machine who was never named in Iron Man 2 which can kind of mean people might think there are two Iron Men running around.
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Old May 10 2012, 06:41 PM   #141
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I know the thought is that's it outdated in this time high tech surveillance. But I don't buy it. Does anyone think my real name is Donald? We all are using secret identities on some level or another. Let them be metaphors for that with superheroes.
Do you think I'm really a Captain?
Do you think my name might really be Craig?
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Old May 10 2012, 06:50 PM   #142
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Donald Draper wrote: View Post
I noticed a minor detail in The Avengers. Towards the end a news reporter says that "Tony Stark's Iron Man Has been spotted" or something like that. Not sure if it means anything. But their could be skepticism whether he really wears the suit all the time.
Or they are doing that to tell Iron Man apart from War Machine who was never named in Iron Man 2 which can kind of mean people might think there are two Iron Men running around.
Rhodes was explicitly identified as the pilot of the War Machine armor during Justin Hammer's presentation.
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Old May 10 2012, 06:55 PM   #143
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Donald Draper wrote: View Post
I know the thought is that's it outdated in this time high tech surveillance. But I don't buy it. Does anyone think my real name is Donald? We all are using secret identities on some level or another. Let them be metaphors for that with superheroes.
Do you think I'm really a Captain?
Do you think my name might really be Craig?
Not sure if that is sarcasm or not! Of course my username has deliberate meaning. The character on Mad Men is not using his real name. I loved the idea of using it. Anyone not familiar with the show would think it could be my real name.
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Old May 10 2012, 07:07 PM   #144
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I noticed a minor detail in The Avengers. Towards the end a news reporter says that "Tony Stark's Iron Man Has been spotted" or something like that. Not sure if it means anything. But their could be skepticism whether he really wears the suit all the time.
Or they are doing that to tell Iron Man apart from War Machine who was never named in Iron Man 2 which can kind of mean people might think there are two Iron Men running around.
Rhodes was explicitly identified as the pilot of the War Machine armor during Justin Hammer's presentation.
My mistake, but still differentiating between Iron Man and War Machine makes more sense then people not believing Stark is Iron Man despite the number of times we took the suit off and/or put in on in public.
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Old May 10 2012, 07:32 PM   #145
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I was not saying that people do not believe Iron Man has not been Stark. But that does not mean they are certain he is the only one who can wear the armor. The public may wonder if he has stand-ins sometimes.
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Old May 10 2012, 08:54 PM   #146
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Donald Draper wrote: View Post
I know the thought is that's it outdated in this time high tech surveillance. But I don't buy it. Does anyone think my real name is Donald? We all are using secret identities on some level or another. Let them be metaphors for that with superheroes.
Do you think I'm really a Captain?
Do you think my name might really be Craig?
Not sure if that is sarcasm or not! Of course my username has deliberate meaning. The character on Mad Men is not using his real name. I loved the idea of using it. Anyone not familiar with the show would think it could be my real name.
One of mine is correct is all I'm saying.
You asserted our usernames are like secret identities, like the heroes should have. I'm offering an example where like some of the heroes a username isn't as secret.
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Old May 10 2012, 09:02 PM   #147
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Okay. I thought as much. Your first time is Captain, Got it!

Yeah I kind of assumed Craig is your actual first name.

The fun of mine is before Mad Men was more well known it could have been thought as a real name. Better than using my last name backwards as I may have in the past....
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Old May 10 2012, 09:10 PM   #148
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I think saying "Tony Stark's Iron Man" was just the media's way of name-dropping Tony Stark into the report a media trick to make a story more interesting in order to get people to perk up and look to the TV just when they hear his name. Not to suggest that the media or the public thinks anyone else uses the Iron Man armor. (Which Stark made pretty clear in front of a Senate Hearing he wasn't willing to do.)
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Old May 10 2012, 09:48 PM   #149
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Stark says I am Iron Man and then Ozzie says I am Iron Man.

It's the perfect set up.

But it didn't work out like that did it?
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Old May 10 2012, 10:11 PM   #150
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Secret identities make perfect sense when you are trying to fill multiple comics over decades, when you one film every couple of years that lasts two hours... I'll take more avengers please.
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