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Old May 8 2012, 08:16 PM   #571
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Re: "Castle" season 4 begins tonight

It goes back to the season 4 starter episode where they meet up again proper after the shooting. She talks to him while sitting on the very same swing and him beside her about the reasons why she can't have a real and lasting relationship until she resolves her issues with her mother's murder.

Now that she's there a year after with all her therapy, her ever developing feelings for Castle and what happened prior in the episode it works sort of like the end of a very important chapter and the beginning of a new one.

That's how i interpret it at least.
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Old May 8 2012, 10:24 PM   #572
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This has been a bit of intense tonight!

But one question so far...
Presumably
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I had thought of that, but it seems unlikely given that this was a professional hit on Beckett. Leaving behind something like that would strike me as terribly sloppy for someone of that proficiency.

Meanwhile, I'm so glad
True... but maybe it's more a force of habit. After being together for a few years and calling each other by their last names all that time .....


BTW... are spoiler tags really necessary given that this thread is an on-going discussion about the episodes currently on air ... or that have aired, now that S4 is done?


In case anyone is interested, here is the text of Alexis' commencement speech, which granted was somewhat simplistic... but still nice and pretty much in character for the episode:
"There is a universal truth that we all have to face, whether we want to or not. Everything eventually ends. As much as I've looked forward to this day, I've always disliked endings. Last day of summer, the final chapter of a great book, parting ways with a close friend. But ... endings are inevitable. Leaves fall. You close the book. You say "goodbye". Today is one of those days for us. Today we say goodbye to everything that was familiar, everything that was comfortable. We're moving on. But just beause we're leaving, and that hurts, there are some people who are so much a part of us, they'll be with us no matter what. They are our solid ground, our North Star, and the small clear voices in our hearts that will be with us always."
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Old May 9 2012, 04:42 AM   #573
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So a Cylon is a hired gun for his employer?

And Garrius was a zombie the episode before?

Suppose your going to tell me a man named jane was in the episode before that?
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Old May 9 2012, 04:52 AM   #574
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Yep, that about covers it.
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Old May 9 2012, 11:26 AM   #575
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So a Cylon is a hired gun for his employer?
Helo was about the only one that turned out NOT to be a Cylon. Married to one...
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Old May 9 2012, 01:37 PM   #576
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So a Cylon is a hired gun for his employer?
Helo was about the only one that turned out NOT to be a Cylon. Married to one...
I may need to recheck the series out cause I could have sworn he was one of the final five - he at least had a child with Athena. You know it's funny and at the risk of derailing the thread its quite sad when the mini-series is the happy point of the series.
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Old May 9 2012, 03:48 PM   #577
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^Nope, Helo was definitely not a Cylon. The final five were

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Old May 9 2012, 04:03 PM   #578
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I may need to recheck the series out cause I could have sworn he was one of the final five - he at least had a child with Athena.
The fact that the human Helo and the Cylon Athena were able to love each other, form a lasting relationship, and bear a child together was of immense importance to the series. Indeed, their human-Cylon hybrid child, Hera, turned out to be critical to the future of both races. It would've been a vastly different series if Helo had been a Cylon.
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Old May 9 2012, 05:07 PM   #579
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^Nope, Helo was definitely not a Cylon. The final five were

Sounds correct. Must have had a brain fart.

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I may need to recheck the series out cause I could have sworn he was one of the final five - he at least had a child with Athena.
The fact that the human Helo and the Cylon Athena were able to love each other, form a lasting relationship, and bear a child together was of immense importance to the series. Indeed, their human-Cylon hybrid child, Hera, turned out to be critical to the future of both races. It would've been a vastly different series if Helo had been a Cylon.
No doubt, although I stopped actually caring about the series after 2.5 about the time "she" shot and killed herself I completely didn't care anymore. I watched the show but I wasn't as emotionally invested as I should have or would have maybe liked to have been.
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Old May 9 2012, 06:25 PM   #580
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I was watching the 2nd season Dollhouse premiere with commentary last night. Tomaoh was of course a regular, and Jamie Bamber was the guest villain. During the big fight scene, Whedon said "This is, of course, only here to see who can kick who's ass, Helo or Apollo."
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Old May 9 2012, 08:42 PM   #581
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Welp, the Casketeers' dreams have come true.

Now what?
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Old May 9 2012, 09:53 PM   #582
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Welp, the Casketeers' dreams have come true.

Now what?
They kill off Rick and have Alexis take over as the title character?
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Old May 9 2012, 10:48 PM   #583
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Welp, the Casketeers' dreams have come true.

Now what?
Now we watch them actually try to make a relationship work, obviously.
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Old May 9 2012, 11:26 PM   #584
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Well, if past romantic shows are any guide, they'll put them through an ongoing series of increasingly contrived crises that Threaten to Tear Them Apart, and audiences will start complaining about how much better it was before they resolved their UST.
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Old May 9 2012, 11:53 PM   #585
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Welp, the Casketeers' dreams have come true.

Now what?
Now we watch them actually try to make a relationship work, obviously.
Please please please please.

I'm kinda sorry I poo-pooed the episode several weeks back where Castle found out by accident about Beckett's remembering, because this was a fantastic episode.

Oddly, Castle and Beckett spending the night together felt less... triumphant?... and more quietly poignant than I was expecting - spurred on by Rick's disbelief that Kate meant it at first. Kudos to the writers for that.

Now I'm really curious where they go from here. I like the idea of Kate being a private eye if she doesn't end up back on the force. The lingering question is of course did us Castle/Beckett shippers have to sacrifice the friendship between Esposito and Ryan? That was rough.
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