AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

[Agent Richard07]

Black Widow comes off as another character who needs someone to play off of. She doesn't strike me as big enough or interesting enough to have her own movie. They would have to give her movie something special to make it work.

[Admiral James Kirk]

Maybe if it was a buddy movie with Hawkeye?

[Agent Richard07]

^ I don't think a movie with the two of them would work either. Not compelling enough even as a pair.

[Admiral James Kirk]

I'm not sure we saw enough of Hawkeye to know if he was compelling or not. The history between them seems pretty interesting.

[Agent Richard07]

^ Yeah, but with superhero movies, you need something a lot bigger than what they can offer.

[Admiral James Kirk]

True, but a BW movie is less Superman and more James Bond.

[davejames]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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Anyone else think Thor's reset-button got hit as far as this movie's events are concerned? Consider that everyone else's character got a bit more developed but with Thor his coming back is pretty much hand-waved with an "Ohhh. Odin spent a lot of money to get you here." (or something.) And then at the end the Tesseract is used to bring Thor and Loki back to Asgard with only lip service played to Jane Foster.

It seems like it was like "Uhhh... We need Thor to come back for the movie, but we also need him back stuck in Asgard at the end in order for the next movie to deal with him getting back to Jane/Jane getting to him."

I mean Captain America emerges as a leader and adapts more to life in the 21st century, Tony Stark grows up a bit more (and risks his life to save NYC), Banner gains yet more control of The Hulk and shows himself more of a hero and even Black Widow gets some development. All of this will translate into their next movies. But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened.

He might not have gone through any further character growth in the movie, but I wouldn't call that a "reset button" of any kind. This is still the more mature, grown up version of Thor from the end of the previous movie.

And I seriously doubt the sequel is going to pretend that he never made it back to Earth. He'll simply explain to Jane that it was an emergency situation and there wasn't time to say hi (which she should understand, if she had any access to a TV at the time).

[the G-man]

Mike Farley wrote:

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Then he can drop her silly ass and hook up with Sif.

Yes. Which would parallel the comics.

[davejames]

Agent Richard07 wrote:

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Black Widow comes off as another character who needs someone to play off of. She doesn't strike me as big enough or interesting enough to have her own movie. They would have to give her movie something special to make it work.

I think it could work, but it would have to be a very different kind of movie. More of a Bourne-style spy movie than a typical superhero movie.

[Agent Richard07]

Look what happened with Elektra. I think a Black Widow movie would do worse.

[Turtletrekker]

I doubt it. Elektra was a questionable spin-off of a mediocre movie done by people who just didn't get it. A Black Widow movie would not only be riding on the success of The Avengers, but would be made by people who proven that they know how to do super-hero movies right.

[Trekker4747]

Dream wrote:

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Not much of a fan of IM2, I always felt BW didn't belong in it. The entire film was a letdown from the first IM.

The more I've watched IM2 the more I liked it, but I still think it's weighted down too much by setting up The Avengers and I think it handled Tony's alcoholism way to lightly and the "party scene" was just absurd.

Black Widow comes off as another character who needs someone to play off of. She doesn't strike me as big enough or interesting enough to have her own movie. They would have to give her movie something special to make it work.

I think a Black Widow movie could very well work but it would be much more of spy or Jason Bourne movie than a grand superhero movie. An "origin story" with her on the wrong side of the law being hunted down by Hawkeye would probably be the neatest way to go, and bring Hawkeye into the movie and give him some much needed development.

And I seriously doubt the sequel is going to pretend that he never made it back to Earth. He'll simply explain to Jane that it was an emergency situation and there wasn't time to say hi (which she should understand, if she had any access to a TV at the time).

Well, I doubt that too. I just suspected The Avengers would have dealt with Thor's return to Earth and then his own second movie would deal with him returning to Jane and his protection of Earth. In fact, would have expected Jane to have played a hand in Thor's return.

Along those lines, in Thor's movie he destroys the Bifrost in order to save Jotunheim. Loki implies that he'll never see Jane again and later when Thor talks to Heimdall he asks if Earth is lost to them. Can they not rebuild the Bifrost? Or would the reconstruction of it last longer than Jane's lifetime?

[StarTrek1701]

I wonder how Emily Blunt must be feeling right now. She gave a couple of very high-strung responses as to why she didn't accept the role of Black Widow in IM2 (schedule clashing notwithstanding with the awful Gulliver's Travels). Now with Avengers being a success for the record books whereas her last movie came and went like the Ch'iTauri I am sure she is in the process of firing her agents!

[Aldo]

I felt the explanation for how Thor returned to Earth was satisfactory.

Now that I'm thinking about it, how much time did pass in Avengers? I've only seen it once, but it seems to me like one, maybe two days.

StarTrek1701 wrote:

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I wonder how Emily Blunt must be feeling right now. She gave a couple of very high-strung responses as to why she didn't accept the role of Black Widow in IM2 (schedule clashing notwithstanding with the awful Gulliver's Travels). Now with Avengers being a success for the record books whereas her last movie came and went like the Ch'iTauri I am sure she is in the process of firing her agents!

By that token, I wonder if Edward Norton is beating himself up for acting like a diva and getting asked not to return for the film.

Ok, that makes him sound bad, but I know there's more to him not coming back then just salary negotioations.

[Agent Richard07]

Emily Blunt as Black Widow... Now that would have been something.

And what did happen with Ed Norton anyway? Any more details come out?