AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS** - Page 41

Agent Richard07 · May 7 2012, 10:01 PM

Admiral2 · May 7 2012, 11:17 PM

davejames wrote:

You know I gotta say, as generic and unmemorable as the rest of the score is, the actual Avenger's Theme is pretty damn great.

I just wish the rest of the score was as good.

Honestly, the last thing I was doing was listening to the music. I can deal with it not being John-Williamsesque.

Turtletrekker · May 7 2012, 11:28 PM

Alidar Jarok · May 7 2012, 11:32 PM

Warped9 wrote:

Alidar Jarok wrote:

Warped9 wrote:

I know it's faithful to the comics, but that helmet/headdress of Loki's looked kinda dumb.

Weren't you complaining about people changing Superman's outfit? I would have thought you would have liked comicbook faithfulness at all costs.

Spider-man's costume was conceptually faithful yet certainly wasn't strictly what was seen in the comics. He also had organic web spinners rather than mechanical ones. I didn't have a problem with either because they got all the other important stuff right.

Loki's helmet just looked odd. Maybe when I see it again I won't think so. Maybe.

Superman is blue and red, has a cape and an S. It seems they got all the important stuff right there too.

OdoWanKenobi · May 7 2012, 11:34 PM

As much as I absolutely love this movie I do have to register my disappointment at one thing. I can only really remember the main theme from the score. After the fantastic job that Alan Silvestri did with Captain America, this one just doesn't measure up.

Cutter John · May 7 2012, 11:48 PM

Hope you guys will forgive me for not wanting to wade through 40 pages of messages, but hows the 3D in this one?

I'm not a fan of the process, but if it really adds a lot to the film, I may take the chance and pay the extra $4.

Admiral James Kirk · May 7 2012, 11:54 PM

The 3D is excellent for post-converted. I found it actually a little too good. Way too overstimulating for me. There's enough to see, adding an extra dimension is almost too much of a fantastic thing. At least for me. I'm pretty hyper though.

the G-man · May 8 2012, 12:47 AM

Turtletrekker wrote:

More likely its a reveal that he's the big bad for Avengers II.

Temis the Vorta · May 8 2012, 01:09 AM

This is priceless. The Department of Defense refused to cooperate with the Avengers because S.H.I.E.L.D. works for Homeland Security!

The DoD was totally on board with The Avengers until mid-way through production when, according to US Defense Department Hollywood liaison Phil Strub, it became confusing to the powers that be where, exactly, the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division would fall in the current bureaucratic command structure:

"We couldn't reconcile the unreality of this international organization and our place in it. To whom did S.H.I.E.L.D. answer? Did we work for S.H.I.E.L.D.? We hit that roadblock and decided we couldn't do anything [with Avengers]."

According to Wired, Marvel tried to explain—with what must've been a straight face—that given the word "Homeland" in its title, S.H.I.E.L.D. would be part of the Department of Homeland Security, not the Department of Defense. If S.H.I.E.L.D. was a real organization. Which it is not. Because The Avengers is a work of fiction.

Waaa waaa waaa!

Bureaucratic infighting over fictional organizations. Our tax dollars at work.

InklingStar · May 8 2012, 01:39 AM

Temis the Vorta wrote:

This is priceless. The Department of Defense refused to cooperate with the Avengers because S.H.I.E.L.D. works for Homeland Security!

The DoD was totally on board with The Avengers until mid-way through production when, according to US Defense Department Hollywood liaison Phil Strub, it became confusing to the powers that be where, exactly, the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division would fall in the current bureaucratic command structure:

"We couldn't reconcile the unreality of this international organization and our place in it. To whom did S.H.I.E.L.D. answer? Did we work for S.H.I.E.L.D.? We hit that roadblock and decided we couldn't do anything [with Avengers]."

According to Wired, Marvel tried to explain—with what must've been a straight face—that given the word "Homeland" in its title, S.H.I.E.L.D. would be part of the Department of Homeland Security, not the Department of Defense. If S.H.I.E.L.D. was a real organization. Which it is not. Because The Avengers is a work of fiction.

Waaa waaa waaa!

Bureaucratic infighting over fictional organizations. Our tax dollars at work.

More like not working... we probably saved money.

Anyway, as I read it the DoD didn't like the way SHIELD took orders from an international organization, which would be different from DHS.

Trekker4747 · May 8 2012, 02:39 AM

Anyone else think Thor's reset-button got hit as far as this movie's events are concerned? Consider that everyone else's character got a bit more developed but with Thor his coming back is pretty much hand-waved with an "Ohhh. Odin spent a lot of money to get you here." (or something.) And then at the end the Tesseract is used to bring Thor and Loki back to Asgard with only lip service played to Jane Foster.

It seems like it was like "Uhhh... We need Thor to come back for the movie, but we also need him back stuck in Asgard at the end in order for the next movie to deal with him getting back to Jane/Jane getting to him."

I mean Captain America emerges as a leader and adapts more to life in the 21st century, Tony Stark grows up a bit more (and risks his life to save NYC), Banner gains yet more control of The Hulk and shows himself more of a hero and even Black Widow gets some development. All of this will translate into their next movies. But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened.

Admiral James Kirk · May 8 2012, 02:41 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Anyone else think Thor's reset-button got hit as far as this movie's events are concerned? Consider that everyone else's character got a bit more developed but with Thor his coming back is pretty much hand-waved with an "Ohhh. Odin spent a lot of money to get you here." (or something.) And then at the end the Tesseract is used to bring Thor and Loki back to Asgard with only lip service played to Jane Foster.

It seems like it was like "Uhhh... We need Thor to come back for the movie, but we also need him back stuck in Asgard at the end in order for the next movie to deal with him getting back to Jane/Jane getting to him."

I mean Captain America emerges as a leader and adapts more to life in the 21st century, Tony Stark grows up a bit more (and risks his life to save NYC), Banner gains yet more control of The Hulk and shows himself more of a hero and even Black Widow gets some development. All of this will translate into their next movies. But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened.

Summed it up perfectly. Thor's reset button treatment was the only thing that bothered me about The Avengers.

RoJoHen · May 8 2012, 02:41 AM

This movie was fucking awesome. Holy shit. I do wish that Thor had a bigger part, especially since his frickin' brother is the main villain, but other than that I think every character was used the perfect amount of time. I admit I didn't remotely give a shit about Black Widow in "Iron Man 2," but she became one of my favorite characters in this movie.

RoJoHen · May 8 2012, 02:42 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened.

Honestly, I hope that Jane addresses this in the next Thor movie, and I hope he gets a big slap in the face for not visiting her.

Mike Farley · May 8 2012, 02:50 AM

RoJoHen wrote:

Trekker4747 wrote:

But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened.

Honestly, I hope that Jane addresses this in the next Thor movie, and I hope he gets a big slap in the face for not visiting her.

Then he can drop her silly ass and hook up with Sif.

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May 7 2012, 10:01 PM	#601
Agent Richard07 The Tim Burton Version Location: Defying Logic	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS

May 7 2012, 11:28 PM	#603
Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Location: Tacoma, Washington	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS The Thanos reveal at the end of Avengers may lead into Guardians of the Galaxy. I can see an appearance Thor or Loki or even Sif and the Warriors Three in a GotG movie. Especially if they pick up on Thanos' in terest in the Tesseract. I'm sure Hemsworth signed a multi-multi-film deal ala Samuel L. Jackson, so it wouldn't be out of the question. __________________ Coulson lives!

May 7 2012, 11:34 PM	#605
OdoWanKenobi Shapeshifting Jedi Location: Gotham City	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS As much as I absolutely love this movie I do have to register my disappointment at one thing. I can only really remember the main theme from the score. After the fantastic job that Alan Silvestri did with Captain America, this one just doesn't measure up. __________________ I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on the TrekBBS.

May 7 2012, 11:48 PM	#606
Cutter John Rear Admiral Location: Beyond the wall of sleep, just south of Seattle.	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS Hope you guys will forgive me for not wanting to wade through 40 pages of messages, but hows the 3D in this one? I'm not a fan of the process, but if it really adds a lot to the film, I may take the chance and pay the extra $4. __________________ "The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don't always soften the bad things. But vice versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant." Last edited by Cutter John; May 8 2012 at 12:27 AM.

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May 7 2012, 11:54 PM	#607
Admiral James Kirk Writer Location: Tucson, AZ	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS The 3D is excellent for post-converted. I found it actually a little too good. Way too overstimulating for me. There's enough to see, adding an extra dimension is almost too much of a fantastic thing. At least for me. I'm pretty hyper though. __________________ Star Force The Tales of the Star Force Anthology Last edited by Admiral James Kirk; May 8 2012 at 01:54 AM.

May 8 2012, 02:39 AM	#611
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS Anyone else think Thor's reset-button got hit as far as this movie's events are concerned? Consider that everyone else's character got a bit more developed but with Thor his coming back is pretty much hand-waved with an "Ohhh. Odin spent a lot of money to get you here." (or something.) And then at the end the Tesseract is used to bring Thor and Loki back to Asgard with only lip service played to Jane Foster. It seems like it was like "Uhhh... We need Thor to come back for the movie, but we also need him back stuck in Asgard at the end in order for the next movie to deal with him getting back to Jane/Jane getting to him." I mean Captain America emerges as a leader and adapts more to life in the 21st century, Tony Stark grows up a bit more (and risks his life to save NYC), Banner gains yet more control of The Hulk and shows himself more of a hero and even Black Widow gets some development. All of this will translate into their next movies. But Thor? Nope. Reset button. He came to Earth for a few days, helped save the world, then he went back home more-or-less like nothing happened. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

May 8 2012, 02:41 AM	#613
RoJoHen Awesome Location: Wherever life takes me	Re: AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel SPOILERS This movie was fucking awesome. Holy shit. I do wish that Thor had a bigger part, especially since his frickin' brother is the main villain, but other than that I think every character was used the perfect amount of time. I admit I didn't remotely give a shit about Black Widow in "Iron Man 2," but she became one of my favorite characters in this movie. __________________ I am the Quintessential Admiral. Get ready to grow your EQUINOX BEARD!