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View Poll Results: The cage or The Menagerie?
The Cage 23 45.10%
The Menagerie 15 29.41%
Both are equally good 13 25.49%
Neither 0 0%
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Old May 4 2012, 08:07 PM   #16
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Re: The cage or The Menagerie

The first half the Menagerie isn't too bad, but it falls apart after Kirk arrives on the Enterprise. From then on the present day stuff is obvious filler.
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Old May 5 2012, 03:49 AM   #17
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Re: The cage or The Menagerie

I do like both episodes pretty equally. However, is it just me or does The Cage feel more like a TNG episode than a TOS episode? It doers to me anyway.
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Old May 5 2012, 04:09 AM   #18
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However, is it just me or does The Cage feel more like a TNG episode than a TOS episode? It doers to me anyway.
I've had the same thought. I feel it's the pacing and Pike's general behaviour making me think of Picard. Of course thats only because we've had TNG. Before TNG I'd have just said The Cage just feels different but with no real comparative reference.
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Old May 5 2012, 04:45 AM   #19
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Wow, I'm surprised The Menagerie isn't winning. I liked the way the trial added an extra dimension to what was otherwise a straightforward story about bossy aliens.
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Old May 5 2012, 04:20 PM   #20
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I always wondered why they didn't take Pike someplace with telepathic aliens, like Vulcan? Seems like that would be the ideal place for someone with debilitating injuries.
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Old May 5 2012, 05:09 PM   #21
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Re: The cage or The Menagerie

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Space Therapist wrote: View Post
However, is it just me or does The Cage feel more like a TNG episode than a TOS episode? It doers to me anyway.
I've had the same thought. I feel it's the pacing and Pike's general behaviour making me think of Picard. Of course thats only because we've had TNG. Before TNG I'd have just said The Cage just feels different but with no real comparative reference.
As you know the studios thought the Cage was to cerebral so they changed TOS. I have always thought that TNG seemed truer to what Gene originally envisioned Star Trek to be without a studio dictating to him.
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Old May 5 2012, 05:18 PM   #22
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Re: The cage or The Menagerie

Space Therapist wrote: View Post
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Space Therapist wrote: View Post
However, is it just me or does The Cage feel more like a TNG episode than a TOS episode? It doers to me anyway.
I've had the same thought. I feel it's the pacing and Pike's general behaviour making me think of Picard. Of course thats only because we've had TNG. Before TNG I'd have just said The Cage just feels different but with no real comparative reference.
As you know the studios thought the Cage was to cerebral so they changed TOS. I have always thought that TNG seemed truer to what Gene originally envisioned Star Trek to be without a studio dictating to him.
I like TNG, but all I can say is thank god for the studio!
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Old May 5 2012, 07:36 PM   #23
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I've had the same thought. I feel it's the pacing and Pike's general behaviour making me think of Picard. Of course thats only because we've had TNG. Before TNG I'd have just said The Cage just feels different but with no real comparative reference.
As you know the studios thought the Cage was to cerebral so they changed TOS. I have always thought that TNG seemed truer to what Gene originally envisioned Star Trek to be without a studio dictating to him.
I like TNG, but all I can say is thank god for the studio!
I agree! TNG is a very close second to my love of TOS but I don't really think the more intellectual approach that TNG had would have worked with Kirk, Spock et al.
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As you know the studios thought the Cage was to cerebral so they changed TOS. I have always thought that TNG seemed truer to what Gene originally envisioned Star Trek to be without a studio dictating to him.
I like TNG, but all I can say is thank god for the studio!
I agree! TNG is a very close second to my love of TOS but I don't really think the more intellectual approach that TNG had would have worked with Kirk, Spock et al.
Candidly I've never thought TNG was more cerebral than TOS. TNG simply had a different style, kind of like Mac and PC for lack of a better analogy.
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Old May 5 2012, 08:56 PM   #25
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I like TNG, but all I can say is thank god for the studio!
I agree! TNG is a very close second to my love of TOS but I don't really think the more intellectual approach that TNG had would have worked with Kirk, Spock et al.
Candidly I've never thought TNG was more cerebral than TOS. TNG simply had a different style, kind of like Mac and PC for lack of a better analogy.
Yes, in retrospect maybe cerebral ins't the best word to use to describe TNG.
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Old May 6 2012, 01:09 AM   #26
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I enjoyed The Cage very much, but I prefer The Menagerie. Spock was excellant, and it incorporated much of The Cage, anyway.
What's great is we have both to enjoy.
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Old May 6 2012, 01:12 AM   #27
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I've had the same thought. I feel it's the pacing and Pike's general behaviour making me think of Picard. Of course thats only because we've had TNG. Before TNG I'd have just said The Cage just feels different but with no real comparative reference.
As you know the studios thought the Cage was to cerebral so they changed TOS. I have always thought that TNG seemed truer to what Gene originally envisioned Star Trek to be without a studio dictating to him.
I like TNG, but all I can say is thank god for the studio!
Wow, I never made that connection until now - but I have to say I see the similarities between The Cage and TNG.
And - I must agree - the studio called this one right.
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Old May 6 2012, 01:32 AM   #28
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Re: The cage or The Menagerie

The older I get, the less I think I know. Did the suits really call Cage too cerebral? Or is that GR's spin? You have a fight with a giant, dancing green girl, Vina in a skimpy short dress, creepy, "bossy" (hilarious word, by the way) aliens . . . Not so cerebral in the aggregate, eh?

Regardless of the suits' opinion, whatever it really was, I'm with Asimov. It's beautiful.
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Old May 6 2012, 01:56 AM   #29
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The older I get, the less I think I know. Did the suits really call Cage too cerebral? Or is that GR's spin? You have a fight with a giant, dancing green girl, Vina in a skimpy short dress, creepy, "bossy" (hilarious word, by the way) aliens . . . Not so cerebral in the aggregate, eh?

Regardless of the suits' opinion, whatever it really was, I'm with Asimov. It's beautiful.
That is the official story that the studio called it too cerebral. But I do disagree with them. It is a good episode. But I am glad that things worked out as they did. If the Cage had succeeded it would have been a very different type of show.
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Does anyone know the actual point of making Mendez an illusion on the Enterprise?
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