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Old May 4 2012, 09:05 PM   #1441
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So how's this for a trilogy - 1. Lizard, hint at Green Goblin. 2 Green Goblin, introduce MJ, kill off Gwen. 3. Venom.
The issue with this reboot is just that, back to revisiting the same foes? Let's hope not. As Digific says lets mix it up. I feel we are getting Lizard mainly cause he was essentially sold to us in the Raimi films. Almost as if Sony conceded to let that be a major drawing point from the prior series.

If we were operating within the already defined universe then Hobgoblin would be a natural villain to appear. As it is now you have to go back and do Green first and you don't want goblins in back-to-back films. Visual stagnation, lack of creativity and other such complaints would happen and have some truth.

Mysterio
Miles Warren/Jackel
Vulture
Shocker
Chamelon
Kraven(international flare)
Man-Wolf(groundwork laid in Spidey2)
Carnage(groundwork laid in Spidey3-same goblin issue as here)
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The crowd at The Avengers midnight really seemed largely indifferent to the trailer.
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Old May 4 2012, 09:07 PM   #1442
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Yeah... the new trailer... It was ok. But there was something missing... or maybe because it felt familiar... but it doesn't make me excited to plop down 12 bucks.
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Old May 4 2012, 09:17 PM   #1443
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If we were operating within the already defined universe then Hobgoblin would be a natural villain to appear. As it is now you have to go back and do Green first and you don't want goblins in back-to-back films.
I don't get why you think they can't do Hobgoblin without first doing Green Goblin. Would you care to explain?

After I posted with my villain ideas, I thought about Silver Sable as a possible villain, and think she could fit very well into a 'Man-Spider' story arc given that she's a merc and could be hired by somebody to kill the Man-Spider while also having her own agenda.

Here's some more characters I'd like to see used as villains/antagonists:
Allistair Smythe
Silvermane
Morbius
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Old May 4 2012, 09:19 PM   #1444
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So how's this for a trilogy - 1. Lizard, hint at Green Goblin. 2 Green Goblin, introduce MJ, kill off Gwen. 3. Venom.
The issue with this reboot is just that, back to revisiting the same foes? Let's hope not. As Digific says lets mix it up. I feel we are getting Lizard mainly cause he was essentially sold to us in the Raimi films. Almost as if Sony conceded to let that be a major drawing point from the prior series.

If we were operating within the already defined universe then Hobgoblin would be a natural villain to appear. As it is now you have to go back and do Green first and you don't want goblins in back-to-back films. Visual stagnation, lack of creativity and other such complaints would happen and have some truth.

Mysterio
Miles Warren/Jackel
Vulture
Shocker
Chamelon
Kraven(international flare)
Man-Wolf(groundwork laid in Spidey2)
Carnage(groundwork laid in Spidey3-same goblin issue as here)
Tombstone
Tarantula(international flare)

Line straddlers
Black Cat
Paladin
Silver Sable

The crowd at The Avengers midnight really seemed largely indifferent to the trailer.
I'd love to see different villains (I've been wanting Mysterio to be done for years) but I'm not sure this stretch of films is going to push the boat out. It's just the vibe I get from the trailer.

I get the impression that Gwen knows that Peter is Spider-Man, which leads me to think eventually she'll get killed off. Seeing as Oscorp plays a part in this film and in the comics it was a confrontation with the Green Goblin which led to her death (and if they recreated that comic panel to screen it would be WAY to much like SM1) so it's natural to assume that would happen.

Then, given that this film is darker in tone, Venom would be logical (especially if it follows on from Peter having major doubts about himself after Gwen's death).

Not saying that's necessarily what I'd prefer or what I'd do given the choice, it's just a wild assumption.
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Old May 4 2012, 09:36 PM   #1445
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If we were operating within the already defined universe then Hobgoblin would be a natural villain to appear. As it is now you have to go back and do Green first and you don't want goblins in back-to-back films.
I don't get why you think they can't do Hobgoblin without first doing Green Goblin. Would you care to explain?
If they intend to remain remotely loyal to the source then Hobby has to come second. It'd be like having Carnage before Venom, one begets the other.

The original Hobgoblin and the current both found stashed Norman gear in a hideout and modified it into Hobgoblin gear. The second Hobgoblin stole the equipment after it had been already turned into Hobby attire. Also, having Hobby first makes it seem as if Normans reason for taking the identity isn't related to his own psyche which is necessary.

So unless Sony intends to spit on the source material and motivations of the characters then Green Goblin has to happen first. But hey this is the same culture of "suits" that forced Venom into an established script. The same culture of suits who insisted in the once and never Raimi directed Spidey 4 that classic Lee/Ditko foe the Vulture become the Vultress. So maybe they are prepared to hock some thick, foamy luggies on the source material indeed.
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Old May 4 2012, 10:12 PM   #1446
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^ Ok. Hobgoblin HAS been introduced first in the past, though... back in the 1994 Spider-Man cartoon, which is, incidentally, how I'm most familiar with the character.
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Old May 4 2012, 10:23 PM   #1447
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^ Ok. Hobgoblin HAS been introduced first in the past, though... back in the 1994 Spider-Man cartoon, which is, incidentally, how I'm most familiar with the character.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty stupid how the cartoon handled it.
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Old May 4 2012, 10:25 PM   #1448
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^ To each their own.
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Old May 4 2012, 10:35 PM   #1449
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Anyone noticed how all the action scenes in the trailers have seemed to take place during the night? Raimi had nearly all the action scenes during the day. Let's hope Webb isn't trying to make the Spider-Man franchise more dark and grim like Nolan with Batman.
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Old May 4 2012, 10:47 PM   #1450
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Webb? That seems appropriate! And I think it's been established that's exactly what he's doing.
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Old May 5 2012, 03:40 AM   #1451
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Webb? That seems appropriate! And I think it's been established that's exactly what he's doing.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Damn, why is he trying to turn Spider-Man into Batman?
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Old May 5 2012, 05:02 AM   #1452
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^ Ok. Hobgoblin HAS been introduced first in the past, though... back in the 1994 Spider-Man cartoon, which is, incidentally, how I'm most familiar with the character.
And Carnage just sucks out your bio-electric energy also.
Cartoon.
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Old May 5 2012, 07:10 AM   #1453
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i'd like to see a movie with the Tinkerer and him creating the equipment for a buncha second-rate Spidey villains like Beetle, Vulture, Scorpion and so on and Pete just stumbles into his vendetta with Roxxon and then Tinkerer unleashes Spider-slayers.

yes, that is cribbed/copied/altered from Ultimate.
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The voiceover in the trailer makes it sound like the origin story is told in flashback from the perspective of an older and experienced Spidey. I may be reading too far into things though. Anyone else?
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Old May 5 2012, 11:35 PM   #1455
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And Carnage just sucks out your bio-electric energy also.
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