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Old May 1 2012, 01:20 AM   #121
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Re: Brad Bird all but confirmed as "Mission: Impossible IV" director

I would tend to agree with you, with the exception for how the films portray their female leads.
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Old May 1 2012, 04:21 AM   #122
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If you're saying there's a pattern of marginalization or objectification of the female leads, I don't see how you could possibly think M:I III fits into that. After all,
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Old May 1 2012, 04:25 AM   #123
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A "pattern of marginalization" need not include all four films. Three out of the four is enough to criticize/justify the point.

That said, you're absolutely right about M:I-III.
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Old May 1 2012, 06:17 AM   #124
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IV is probably my second favourite of the series after the first one, I really disliked the second and whilst the third one was ok it only felt like Mission Impossible during the Vatican bits.

My only quibble would be that I felt it peaked in the middle with the Dubai bits, I wasn't that impressed with the car park fight if I'm honest, plus the villain could have had a bit more screen presense.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The villain was, for the most part, rather insipid and so were his motives. And the entire sequence in India felt pedestrian.

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Old May 1 2012, 06:36 AM   #125
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It was a nice change of pace from it being yet another

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Old May 2 2012, 05:32 AM   #126
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If they ever do another sequel, though, I say they promote the Ethan Hunt character to more of a Team Leader role, and focus on a new supporting cast.
I would really like them to keep the supporting cast from the fourth movie. Keeping more than just Tom Cruise and Ving Rhames would help these movies feel more properly connected to each other.
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Old May 2 2012, 02:15 PM   #127
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^Since Jeremy Renner was originally intended to be the new lead, he may well have been signed to do more than one movie.

Of course, a sense of connection between installments wasn't really a feature of the original show. The continuity, typically of '60s TV, was essentially nonexistent. The team members could show their faces on national or global TV at the climax of one episode and yet still be able to function as secret agents the next week. The team composition changed frequently; originally the intent was that a different team of specialists would be chosen every week, and although eventually the main cast members ended up being used much more regularly, cast changes between seasons happened frequently and without a word of explanation (until the final season, which also saw slight traces of continuity introduced for the first time).
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Old May 2 2012, 02:39 PM   #128
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^ Renner looks set to be a busy boy, doesn't he? He's taken over the Bourne series, there's Hawkeye in the Avengers and I think that the studio envisage Hansel and Gretel being a franchise too.

My suspicion, based on absolutely nothing tangible, is that Tom (who is also supposed to be starring in a new take on Van Helsing) will be back for V but Jeremy won't.
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Old May 2 2012, 03:20 PM   #129
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^ Renner looks set to be a busy boy, doesn't he? He's taken over the Bourne series, there's Hawkeye in the Avengers and I think that the studio envisage Hansel and Gretel being a franchise too.
All the more reason that the people who wrote his M:I contract might've included a clause committing him to sequels, especially if they signed him in the first place with the intention of making him the new lead. Actors who sign up for franchise films these days are rarely signed for just one at a time. The contracts specifically commit them to multiple films, especially if they're busy, in-demand actors whose availability needs to be guaranteed in advance.

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http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/12/14...cqueen-bourne/
Do you have a contract for another one?
Yeah. If they so choose to use that. Or they can tell me to piss off. You know what I mean? It's their call. Like any other franchise, you want to keep the possibilities open.
So if they want to bring him back for M:I 5, he's already contractually bound to appear. Although if they don't want him back for whatever reason, they'd just let him out of the contract. But as you say, he's a popular fellow right now, so they probably would want him back.
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Old May 2 2012, 03:43 PM   #130
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^ Indeed. But IIRC, when he was first cast, the idea was that this would be more of a two-hander, as the studio were a bit wary of Tom's box office appeal (remember when Summer Redstone and Paramount broke up with Cruise and Redstone reckoned that Tom's couch-jumping behaviour had made M:I3 the least successful movie, even though it was the best?).

However, from what I can see, Tom has made a bit of a box-office renaissance, so my best guess (and that's all it is) is that they'll be happy to trust him with the MI reins all by himself again. But I know I'd be happy for the Ghost Protocol team to return.
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Old May 2 2012, 04:40 PM   #131
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^Yes, but the point is that Renner's availability wouldn't be the determining factor in whether he returns; if they did want him back, they'd have him.
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Old May 2 2012, 05:00 PM   #132
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^Gotcha. As I originally said, my suspicion was based on absolutely nothing!
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