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Old April 30 2012, 02:22 PM   #151
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Re: DTI: Forgotten History by C. L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Overall I enjoyed the book very much. I will admit that I was expecting a bit more of a presence from the "present day" DTI members, but I certainly did not feel the book was lacking in anyway. I am especially something of a Geek for books that fill in blanks in Trek history or connect dots. Seeing the mission to the past that led to them meeting with Gary 7 as a logical outgrowth of their previous accidental trip was one of those lovely "Well of course, why didn't I think of it before" moments.

There was one thing that I found a little disturbing personally...

But one thing Lucsly knew: uncertainty could be fatal for a DTI agent. Maybe that was the value of the myths that had grown up around the department's origins: they replaced messy reality with clear, inspiring messages. Just as the myth of Meijan Grey motivated Lucsly and his fellow agents to guard the timeline with quiet, solemn discipline, so the myth of James T. Kirk served as a cautionary tale, reminding them of what was at stake if they ever relaxed their scrutiny.

"Trust Kirk?' he finally said, "Not a chance. The man was a menace. I had to use all my training and control to avoid revealing any unnecessary information about the future. If I hadn't ridden tight herd on him every step of the way, we would've all been doomed. In fact, I wonder just how many other temporal crimes Kirk managed to keep out of the history books..."
While I certain appreciate the value of mythology Lucsly seems to go beyond merely acknowledging it's value into the realm or repudiating accepting the fact that there are deeper realities that go beyond and often contradict mythology because he is unable or unwilling to deal with the inherent complexities.

While uncertainty might be fatal in certain context for a DTI agent, too much certainty leads to fascism which in my observation is fatal for all concerned. It leads to things like walking down a row of peacefully sitting protesters and pepper spraying them. It leads to raids on the homes of citizens for the "crime" of daring to speak out against actions taken by their government that they believe to be wrong.

My hope is that if we get a chance to see Agent Lucsly again in the future that he might be forced to confront the inherent danger in too simplistic a worldview and to realize the tragic consequences it can bring about.
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Old April 30 2012, 02:32 PM   #152
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I didn't entirely agree with Lucsly's conclusions myself, but I think you're giving him too little credit, and mistaking what he tells others for what he truly believes himself. Just because he lets his fellow agents preserve the myths that motivate them to do their jobs doesn't mean he's burying his own improved understanding. And it's not as if most DTI agents would ever have any opportunity to confront Kirk directly, so it's a remote enough myth that it shouldn't really compromise any DTI agent's ability to grasp the truth about whatever situations they do find themselves dealing with.

Besides, if even the inflexible Lucsly could change his mind about Kirk after less than an hour watching and interacting with the man, then surely other DTI agents could do the same.
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Old April 30 2012, 09:15 PM   #153
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StarTrek.com sadly doesn't stream to Germany, and Netflix isn't available at all.

I'm actually somewhat curious as to why I've never watched it, though. After all, I've seen every other episode in the franchise at least three times (and that's definitely the low-low-lower bound ...). Maybe it never aired in Germany while I was growing up? Though that doesn't explain why I never sought it out later ...

Ah well, maybe Forgotten History is the kick in the butt I needed. To stay on topic: Since Watching the Clock is the only 2011 release I read in 2011 (because I'm so far behind everyone in all the series, and the description made it seem fairly stand-alone initially) I'm really looking forward to reading this one, since it's likely to be also the only 2012 release I read in 2012. Basically, DTI is my lifeline to the TrekLit frontier right now.
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Not sure how old you are, but I am 33 and in my lifetime, I have no recollection of TAS ever being aired on tv, even in re-runs. Whereas all other shows are re-shown somewhere every day.

I have seen very little of TAS. Still finding time to watch it on startrek.com.

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Old April 30 2012, 09:59 PM   #154
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I discovered the animated series during its initial run on NBC, but I have caught it in syndication at various times in later years. I think the network then called The Sci-Fi Channel aired it for a while, back in the days when cable channels aired mostly reruns, although I think it was before I actually got that channel. That was rather less than 30 years ago. But it was a fair while ago.
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Old April 30 2012, 10:10 PM   #155
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I'm not sure it was ever shown in the UK, if it was I have no recollection of it (I'm 36).
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Old April 30 2012, 10:34 PM   #156
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I'm not sure it was ever shown in the UK, if it was I have no recollection of it (I'm 36).
I'm eight years younger and it was shown on Saturday or Sunday mornings on BBC2 way back when.
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Old April 30 2012, 11:15 PM   #157
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I discovered the animated series during its initial run on NBC, but I have caught it in syndication at various times in later years.
In Australia, we got TAS first-run on Saturday mornings in glorious b/w, then several repeats "in full colour" when weekday breakfast TV really took off in the late 70s. For a long time, "Mr. Spock's Time Trek" from View-Master (21 "Yesteryear" images in 3D) was my only tangible proof that the animateds existed. Bjo Trimble's "ST Concordance" entries were highly valued.

Western Australia got another run when video recorders had become common, and so a few people in Perth staved off our rememberings back east with grainy crosstapes of crosstapes of crosstapes.

Then, TAS even came back to Saturday mornings in the 90s, when TNG was at its height of popularity, probably just after the dust had settled on rights ownership after the Filmation closure in 1989.
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Old May 1 2012, 04:21 AM   #158
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I'm not sure it was ever shown in the UK, if it was I have no recollection of it (I'm 36).
I'm eight years younger and it was shown on Saturday or Sunday mornings on BBC2 way back when.
That's when I caught it too. Isn't it available on DVD/BluRay now?
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Old May 1 2012, 04:53 AM   #159
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Re: DTI: Forgotten History by C. L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoilers!)

^ TAS is available on DVD but not Blu-Ray.

(If there are any technical issues that would *prevent* a BR release, I'm not aware of them. I don't think any 'remastering' would be required.)
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Old May 1 2012, 01:23 PM   #160
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(If there are any technical issues that would *prevent* a BR release, I'm not aware of them. I don't think any 'remastering' would be required.)
Well, despite how the term has come to be misunderstood and abused, remastering simply means going back to the original master footage and printing directly from that for maximum quality and authenticity, rather than making a copy of a copy. Most DVD or Blu-Ray releases are digitally remastered as a matter of course these days.

If you're talking about whether TAS has the necessary resolution for Blu-Ray, it was shot on film, which is automatically high-definition. But an HD presentation might make some of the imperfections in the artwork, scratches on the cels, etc. easier to see.
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Old May 1 2012, 02:24 PM   #161
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Re: DTI: Forgotten History by C. L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Well, just finished writing my review. This was definitely the Star Trek novel I've been anticipating the most since Watching the Clock came out. I really enjoy the DTI, I think it's a refreshing take on the whole Trek universe (or, multiverse I suppose).
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Old May 1 2012, 03:18 PM   #162
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Very nice review! Thanks!
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Old May 1 2012, 08:27 PM   #163
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I'm not sure it was ever shown in the UK, if it was I have no recollection of it (I'm 36).
I'm eight years younger and it was shown on Saturday or Sunday mornings on BBC2 way back when.
I recall it being shown on weekend mornings as late as the 1990s.
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Old May 1 2012, 08:27 PM   #164
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I got this from the bookstore called BARNES AND NOBLES

It cost about 8 dollars or so and I read all the way to chapter 3 so far. I didn't know that they could walk to the warp core on ENTERPRISE 1701 I always saw Commander Scott in those little tubes when he was ixing things. Sometimes you can see the ships engine in the background so it was sorta of confusing in my mind where exactly these people were when they were talking. (Delgado and Kirk and Scott.) So i made up a little room in my head. Because i didnt think you could go behind the screen. It wasn't safe or something. But anyway it said when Scott needed to fix the warp core direcetly it was easier to fix it being in the little tubes.(?) Okay!

that was the only part that confused me so far, I cant wait to read more but work time is soon!
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Old May 1 2012, 08:51 PM   #165
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I'm not sure it was ever shown in the UK, if it was I have no recollection of it (I'm 36).
I'm eight years younger and it was shown on Saturday or Sunday mornings on BBC2 way back when.
I recall it being shown on weekend mornings as late as the 1990s.
They showed it during summer holidays a couple of times in that period as well, I recall. That's how I ended up getting ADF's Logs.
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