General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! - Page 8

Admiral_Young · April 26 2012, 12:58 PM

Yeah didn't Kharma squash Michelle McCool on her last night? I'm just tossing stuff out there. Most of WWE's decisions baffle me on most occasions.

Mr Silver · April 26 2012, 01:30 PM

There is some logic in some of WWE's more questionable decisions, but to be able to discern this logic, you must learn about how the WWE system works.

WWE is an anomaly in the professional wrestling industry, because despite being a professional wrestling organisation, it has rebranded itself as a seperate entity. Initially, this was done so Vince McMahon could carve out a unique product based upon wrestling that would reach out and draw in an audience during a declining period of professional wrestling. Nowadays though, a lot of this branding has become so ridiculous that many people speculate that Vince McMahon is ashamed of being a wrestling promoter and feels that he isn't accepted by the mainstream entertainment industry - which is untrue because WWE regulary draws in viewing figures on primetime television networks, comparable to and better than many entertainment shows.

Anyway, from what I understand, some areas of the WWE backstage system operate like a government, in the sense that politics play a big factor in the making of some decisions. Furthermore, there is an element of old school wrestling fraternity and unwritten rules of conduct in play that range from performers being "humbled" by having their push aborted because they weren't percieved as being "respectful" enough to some of the veterans, to guys recieving support from veterans because they have made a good "impression" (like forming a bond over mutual interests in the case of Sheamus and Triple H).

There are also some very silly things in WWE that are taken very seriously by the veterans, like the "wrestlers court" in which a performer is summoned into a mock trial because of something they have done wrong. The sentencing, if found guilty, ranges from being made to buy beer for the locker room to actually losing support from other performers and spending an extended period of time jobbing and working dark matches.

I also understand that Vince McMahon has the final say on everything, although he does trust his creative team to make storylines decisions without his immediate approval. He is also very flexible with performers that he knows can cut a promo, allowing the likes of Paul Heyman to cut a brutal worked shoot on him with the only stipulation being that Heyman "sells the PPV". However, Vince can be a real factor in the cautious push of fan favourite talent such as CM Punk, Zack Ryder, Christan and Daniel Bryan because they are very different to the stars that he has helped make in the past (Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc) and it seems that the delay in them recieving a push, despite being white hot with the audience is down to Vince taking his time to study them and figure out if they "have what it takes".

Admiral_Young · April 27 2012, 12:52 AM

^ I'm well aware of how WWE is reported to operate and how decisions are made. It doesn't mean that I can't be critical or question them as a fan when they do something that is dumb or seemingly illogical.

Mr Silver · April 27 2012, 06:36 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

^ I'm well aware of how WWE is reported to operate and how decisions are made. It doesn't mean that I can't be critical or question them as a fan when they do something that is dumb or seemingly illogical.

Of course, but others might not be and that's the reason I posted the explanation.

WWE has announced that they've suspended Rey Mysterio for 60 days following his second wellness violation. The guy isn't even cleared to wrestle, which somewhat adds legitimacy to the wellness policy by proving that every performer under contract, is subject to testing no matter what their status.

timothy · April 27 2012, 11:17 PM

Till Brock Lesnar leaves the WWE I am done with the wwe he's worst than john l.

Now did anyone catch fight night on impact? That was AWESOME.

Caligula · April 28 2012, 04:24 PM

Seems like there have been more than a few WWE fans showing up at the NFL Draft the last two days. Every time the words "With the (insert number) pick in the Draft...." are spoken, members of the audience can be heard saying, "WHAT?!" As much as I hate that chant, I have to admit it's pretty funny when used in this context.

Mr Silver · April 28 2012, 05:46 PM

My Extreme Rules Predictions

Santino Marella (c) vs. The Miz: I'm picking Santino to retain in his usual way because he is very popular at the moment and there is no real harm in him recieving a decent push, even though he is predominantly a comedy character.

Nikki Bella (c) vs. Beth Phoenix: I think there is a possibility that this match will be thrown out and Kharma will end up walking away from Extreme Rules as Diva's Champion. But if this doesn't happen, I pick Nikki to retain

Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show (c): We're possibly looking at a match that will favour Cody given the "spin the wheel" stipulation. But I'm predicting that Big Show will retain to extend the feud.

Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk (c): I'm picking Punk to win, because it's the only result that makes sense at this stage.

Sheamus (c) vs. Daniel Bryan: I don't think for one minute that the enormous popularity that DB has recieved from the audience has convinced WWE to put the WHC back on him. I do think however, that WWE has realised DB's character potential and have decided to keep him in the main event picture. I think that Sheamus will retain, with a good chance of there being a competitive match.

Randy Orton vs. Kane: I'd be very surprised if Kane walked out as the winner, so I'm picking Orton to win.

John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar: I think there is a chance that WWE might actually end this match in a no-contest after both men are declared "unable to continue". I think Lesnar is walking out the winner though, in pretty decisive fashion, because he's being built as a legitimately tough guy (which he is) to pose a real threat to either The Rock or The Undertaker at Wrestlemania XXIX. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar became the "first person" (since 03/04) to make Cena submit.

barnaclelapse · April 29 2012, 02:13 AM

Admiral M wrote:

My Extreme Rules Predictions

Santino Marella (c) vs. The Miz: I'm picking Santino to retain in his usual way because he is very popular at the moment and there is no real harm in him recieving a decent push, even though he is predominantly a comedy character.

Nikki Bella (c) vs. Beth Phoenix: I think there is a possibility that this match will be thrown out and Kharma will end up walking away from Extreme Rules as Diva's Champion. But if this doesn't happen, I pick Nikki to retain

Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show (c): We're possibly looking at a match that will favour Cody given the "spin the wheel" stipulation. But I'm predicting that Big Show will retain to extend the feud.

Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk (c): I'm picking Punk to win, because it's the only result that makes sense at this stage.

Sheamus (c) vs. Daniel Bryan: I don't think for one minute that the enormous popularity that DB has recieved from the audience has convinced WWE to put the WHC back on him. I do think however, that WWE has realised DB's character potential and have decided to keep him in the main event picture. I think that Sheamus will retain, with a good chance of there being a competitive match.

Randy Orton vs. Kane: I'd be very surprised if Kane walked out as the winner, so I'm picking Orton to win.

John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar: I think there is a chance that WWE might actually end this match in a no-contest after both men are declared "unable to continue". I think Lesnar is walking out the winner though, in pretty decisive fashion, because he's being built as a legitimately tough guy (which he is) to pose a real threat to either The Rock or The Undertaker at Wrestlemania XXIX. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar became the "first person" (since 03/04) to make Cena submit.

That works for me, but I'm leaning more on the no-contest than anything else. I do think, however, that Brock will be made to look stronger in some form or fashion.

I can also see Lesner winning because Cena is physically unable to continue. That would give Lesner the win, maintain the image (to those who choose to buy it) of Cena as a "Never say die" sort, and give the feud room to carry on.

Admiral_Young · April 29 2012, 06:45 AM

I think I actually agree with all of Admiral M's picks for once. The only way that I could see Miz winning the US Title on youtube is that the WWE might do another Miz/Randy Orton thing and have the heel win against the over face but I doubt it right now. Haven't read anything about Mike's behaviour improving so Santino retains. Punk will retain the WWE Champion and tie Mike's current record as longest reigning WWE Champion. His family and friends will be there, and as I've mentioned a couple times before, it's the final night of production of his DVD. I think it is almost a year as well into the speculation that Punk might actually leave the WWE as well.

Ghost Bones · April 29 2012, 07:24 AM

So, here's my Extreme Rules predictions. I've not said an awful lot recently due to WWE being dire. Lesnar and Cena's not done anything, Albert has returned as the most boring thing ever, Clay and Hornswoggle vs Ziggler and Swagger was booked as an actual match. This is possibly the worst the company's been since...well, over a year. TNA, on the other hand, has been genuinely good.

Cena vs Lesnar
Who I want to win: Can't decide
Who I think will win: Cena
Cena's not likely to job clean 2 PPVs in a row after not doing so for about 4 years. This whole Lesnar return's been a bit dull on the whole. Every Raw and Smackers they play the same interview with Lesnar and there's not been anything memorable besides Lesnar's potatoing Cena in the mouth. The contract signing that capped off a Raw that was unusually dire seemed to have no script. Cena's new green t-shirt is ugly too. Just really hard to get excited about.

Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan
Who I want to win: Daniel Bryan
Who I think will win: Sheamus
They'd be stupid not to give Bryan back the belt; he's massively over. So of course, Sheamus will probably win. Sheamus is awful. He's especially rubbish as a face though; there's no difference between his face character and the Big Show's; all grinning and bland, only he'll kick you in the head by surprise. What a cheeky chappie eh. But at least the 2 out of 3 falls stipulation means he'll have to work a proper match for the first time since his feud with Christian last year (I genuinely can't think of a full and proper match he's had since if we don't include the Royal Rumble).

CM Punk vs Jericho
Who I want to win: Jericho
Who I think will win: Jericho
At least some effort's gone into this feud, can't fault that. It's a shame this can't be a straight wrestling match considering their WM match was the best of the year so far, but that's the nature of the post-WM PPV. I suspect Jericho may win, simply because his return was so massively hyped it'd be rendered pointless for a title reign not to follow. If he doesn't, I won't be massively disappointed so long as the match is good (which it ought to be).

Orton vs Kane
Who I want to win: Kane
Who I think will win: Orton
Whoever wins will likely be catapulted (back) up to the main event, despite the fact that even if Orton wins you'd think the Wrestlemania encounter ought to carry more relevance. If you include their Raw match then they're 1-1, so I guess this is the decider. Hopefully it's Kane. He's much better. More likely Orton will find his way back up to championship contention. How boring that would be.

Big Show vs Cody Rhodes
Who I want to win: Rhodes
Who I think will win: Big Show
Rhodes was doing well with the IC championship. He's a good wrestler. Big Show isn't. He's boring and useless. But at least a lot of credibilty's been brought back to the IC belt. Unlike...

Santino vs Miz
Who I want to win: Miz
Who I think well win: Miz
I don't like the Miz. He's not a good wrestler. But he used to be credible, and giving him the US title would hopefully raise its profile out of the gutter. Santino's a joke. The comic relief should not hold a championship. He is a capable wrestler, but while his finisher's the cobra and his gimmick is that he acts like a f***ing idiot, it devalues the US title.

Beth Phoenix vs Nikki Bella
Who I want to win: Beth
Who I think will win: Nikki
All signs point to Beth losing due to her kayfabe injury and Nikki being a transitional champion for Kharma. That's fair enough, but if true then there's no need to have this on the PPV instead of TV.

Admiral_Young · April 29 2012, 01:41 PM

This has been making the rounds the last day or so...and it's real:

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wp...-sleep/001.jpg

There is also a picture of Niki brushing her teeth and the title!!! I think this maybe telling that she and Bria are leaving.

CaptainWacky · April 29 2012, 04:58 PM

Prediction: Not wanting either Cena or Lesnar to lose at this point, WWE will have them go to some bullshit no contest. Falling off the stage through tables with fake lighting equipment exploding and Cole shouting "THEY'RE BOTH LITERALLY DEAD!" or something.

Maybe the Bellas will walk out on WWE and take the Divas title to TNA and throw it in the trash like Alundra Blaze did in WCW all those years ago. But who would care.

Sheep · April 29 2012, 07:37 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

This has been making the rounds the last day or so...and it's real:

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wp...-sleep/001.jpg

There is also a picture of Niki brushing her teeth and the title!!! I think this maybe telling that she and Bria are leaving.

I recall CM Punk doing the same thing last summer, taking pictures of the World Title sitting in his refrigerator. If anything, this may suggest she's not leaving.

Admiral_Young · April 29 2012, 11:13 PM

I remember the pic of the title in his fridge. LOL

scnj · April 30 2012, 01:45 AM

I don't care about the diva division, but I was annoyed at Beth losing the title when she was so close to having the record for longest reign. She's clearly the most capable of the divas in the ring, so I don't see the harm in letting her take the record from whoever has it.

April 26 2012, 12:58 PM	#106
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! Yeah didn't Kharma squash Michelle McCool on her last night? I'm just tossing stuff out there. Most of WWE's decisions baffle me on most occasions. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

April 26 2012, 01:30 PM	#107
Mr Silver Rear Admiral Location: UK	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! There is some logic in some of WWE's more questionable decisions, but to be able to discern this logic, you must learn about how the WWE system works. WWE is an anomaly in the professional wrestling industry, because despite being a professional wrestling organisation, it has rebranded itself as a seperate entity. Initially, this was done so Vince McMahon could carve out a unique product based upon wrestling that would reach out and draw in an audience during a declining period of professional wrestling. Nowadays though, a lot of this branding has become so ridiculous that many people speculate that Vince McMahon is ashamed of being a wrestling promoter and feels that he isn't accepted by the mainstream entertainment industry - which is untrue because WWE regulary draws in viewing figures on primetime television networks, comparable to and better than many entertainment shows. Anyway, from what I understand, some areas of the WWE backstage system operate like a government, in the sense that politics play a big factor in the making of some decisions. Furthermore, there is an element of old school wrestling fraternity and unwritten rules of conduct in play that range from performers being "humbled" by having their push aborted because they weren't percieved as being "respectful" enough to some of the veterans, to guys recieving support from veterans because they have made a good "impression" (like forming a bond over mutual interests in the case of Sheamus and Triple H). There are also some very silly things in WWE that are taken very seriously by the veterans, like the "wrestlers court" in which a performer is summoned into a mock trial because of something they have done wrong. The sentencing, if found guilty, ranges from being made to buy beer for the locker room to actually losing support from other performers and spending an extended period of time jobbing and working dark matches. I also understand that Vince McMahon has the final say on everything, although he does trust his creative team to make storylines decisions without his immediate approval. He is also very flexible with performers that he knows can cut a promo, allowing the likes of Paul Heyman to cut a brutal worked shoot on him with the only stipulation being that Heyman "sells the PPV". However, Vince can be a real factor in the cautious push of fan favourite talent such as CM Punk, Zack Ryder, Christan and Daniel Bryan because they are very different to the stars that he has helped make in the past (Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc) and it seems that the delay in them recieving a push, despite being white hot with the audience is down to Vince taking his time to study them and figure out if they "have what it takes".

April 27 2012, 12:52 AM	#108
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! ^ I'm well aware of how WWE is reported to operate and how decisions are made. It doesn't mean that I can't be critical or question them as a fan when they do something that is dumb or seemingly illogical. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

April 27 2012, 11:17 PM	#110
timothy Rear Admiral Location: born to be a trekie	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! Till Brock Lesnar leaves the WWE I am done with the wwe he's worst than john l. Now did anyone catch fight night on impact? That was AWESOME. __________________ I am currently reading star trek the weight of worlds by greg cox currently watching continuum, being human, lost girl, Arrow, supernatural, grimm, Once upon a time, the walking dead, the vampire diaries, revolution, merlin

April 28 2012, 04:24 PM	#111
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April 28 2012, 05:46 PM	#112
Mr Silver Rear Admiral Location: UK	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! My Extreme Rules Predictions Santino Marella (c) vs. The Miz: I'm picking Santino to retain in his usual way because he is very popular at the moment and there is no real harm in him recieving a decent push, even though he is predominantly a comedy character. Nikki Bella (c) vs. Beth Phoenix: I think there is a possibility that this match will be thrown out and Kharma will end up walking away from Extreme Rules as Diva's Champion. But if this doesn't happen, I pick Nikki to retain Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show (c): We're possibly looking at a match that will favour Cody given the "spin the wheel" stipulation. But I'm predicting that Big Show will retain to extend the feud. Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk (c): I'm picking Punk to win, because it's the only result that makes sense at this stage. Sheamus (c) vs. Daniel Bryan: I don't think for one minute that the enormous popularity that DB has recieved from the audience has convinced WWE to put the WHC back on him. I do think however, that WWE has realised DB's character potential and have decided to keep him in the main event picture. I think that Sheamus will retain, with a good chance of there being a competitive match. Randy Orton vs. Kane: I'd be very surprised if Kane walked out as the winner, so I'm picking Orton to win. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar: I think there is a chance that WWE might actually end this match in a no-contest after both men are declared "unable to continue". I think Lesnar is walking out the winner though, in pretty decisive fashion, because he's being built as a legitimately tough guy (which he is) to pose a real threat to either The Rock or The Undertaker at Wrestlemania XXIX. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar became the "first person" (since 03/04) to make Cena submit. Last edited by Mr Silver; April 28 2012 at 06:11 PM.

April 29 2012, 06:45 AM	#114
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! I think I actually agree with all of Admiral M's picks for once. The only way that I could see Miz winning the US Title on youtube is that the WWE might do another Miz/Randy Orton thing and have the heel win against the over face but I doubt it right now. Haven't read anything about Mike's behaviour improving so Santino retains. Punk will retain the WWE Champion and tie Mike's current record as longest reigning WWE Champion. His family and friends will be there, and as I've mentioned a couple times before, it's the final night of production of his DVD. I think it is almost a year as well into the speculation that Punk might actually leave the WWE as well. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

April 29 2012, 07:24 AM	#115
Ghost Bones Captain Location: Ghost Blighty	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! So, here's my Extreme Rules predictions. I've not said an awful lot recently due to WWE being dire. Lesnar and Cena's not done anything, Albert has returned as the most boring thing ever, Clay and Hornswoggle vs Ziggler and Swagger was booked as an actual match. This is possibly the worst the company's been since...well, over a year. TNA, on the other hand, has been genuinely good. Cena vs Lesnar Who I want to win: Can't decide Who I think will win: Cena Cena's not likely to job clean 2 PPVs in a row after not doing so for about 4 years. This whole Lesnar return's been a bit dull on the whole. Every Raw and Smackers they play the same interview with Lesnar and there's not been anything memorable besides Lesnar's potatoing Cena in the mouth. The contract signing that capped off a Raw that was unusually dire seemed to have no script. Cena's new green t-shirt is ugly too. Just really hard to get excited about. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan Who I want to win: Daniel Bryan Who I think will win: Sheamus They'd be stupid not to give Bryan back the belt; he's massively over. So of course, Sheamus will probably win. Sheamus is awful. He's especially rubbish as a face though; there's no difference between his face character and the Big Show's; all grinning and bland, only he'll kick you in the head by surprise. What a cheeky chappie eh. But at least the 2 out of 3 falls stipulation means he'll have to work a proper match for the first time since his feud with Christian last year (I genuinely can't think of a full and proper match he's had since if we don't include the Royal Rumble). CM Punk vs Jericho Who I want to win: Jericho Who I think will win: Jericho At least some effort's gone into this feud, can't fault that. It's a shame this can't be a straight wrestling match considering their WM match was the best of the year so far, but that's the nature of the post-WM PPV. I suspect Jericho may win, simply because his return was so massively hyped it'd be rendered pointless for a title reign not to follow. If he doesn't, I won't be massively disappointed so long as the match is good (which it ought to be). Orton vs Kane Who I want to win: Kane Who I think will win: Orton Whoever wins will likely be catapulted (back) up to the main event, despite the fact that even if Orton wins you'd think the Wrestlemania encounter ought to carry more relevance. If you include their Raw match then they're 1-1, so I guess this is the decider. Hopefully it's Kane. He's much better. More likely Orton will find his way back up to championship contention. How boring that would be. Big Show vs Cody Rhodes Who I want to win: Rhodes Who I think will win: Big Show Rhodes was doing well with the IC championship. He's a good wrestler. Big Show isn't. He's boring and useless. But at least a lot of credibilty's been brought back to the IC belt. Unlike... Santino vs Miz Who I want to win: Miz Who I think well win: Miz I don't like the Miz. He's not a good wrestler. But he used to be credible, and giving him the US title would hopefully raise its profile out of the gutter. Santino's a joke. The comic relief should not hold a championship. He is a capable wrestler, but while his finisher's the cobra and his gimmick is that he acts like a f**ing idiot, it devalues the US title. Beth Phoenix vs Nikki Bella Who I want to win: Beth Who I think will win: Nikki All signs point to Beth losing due to her kayfabe injury and Nikki being a transitional champion for Kharma. That's fair enough, but if true then there's no need to have this on the PPV instead of TV. __________________ I'm NOT the story here. "If you don't like it, why are you watching it then?" -Joey Deacon*

April 29 2012, 01:41 PM	#116
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! This has been making the rounds the last day or so...and it's real: http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/wp...-sleep/001.jpg There is also a picture of Niki brushing her teeth and the title!!! I think this maybe telling that she and Bria are leaving. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

April 29 2012, 04:58 PM	#117
CaptainWacky Rear Admiral Location: CaptainWacky	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! Prediction: Not wanting either Cena or Lesnar to lose at this point, WWE will have them go to some bullshit no contest. Falling off the stage through tables with fake lighting equipment exploding and Cole shouting "THEY'RE BOTH LITERALLY DEAD!" or something. Maybe the Bellas will walk out on WWE and take the Divas title to TNA and throw it in the trash like Alundra Blaze did in WCW all those years ago. But who would care. __________________ Let's make sure history never forgets the name Big Matty. Troll Kingdom - Under New Management

April 29 2012, 11:13 PM	#119
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! I remember the pic of the title in his fridge. LOL __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

April 30 2012, 01:45 AM	#120
scnj Captain	Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux! I don't care about the diva division, but I was annoyed at Beth losing the title when she was so close to having the record for longest reign. She's clearly the most capable of the divas in the ring, so I don't see the harm in letting her take the record from whoever has it.