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Old April 28 2012, 01:55 AM   #106
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For a supposedly bad boy and a Klingon babe that romance was incredibly domestic.
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Old April 28 2012, 01:57 AM   #107
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One thing I got out of the Sullivan relationship is that we actually see what Janeway wants because she programs him. I think its very significant that she says "make him more provocative". Chakotay is really lacking that, it's not a word you'd ever use to describe him. Perhaps if he had been less passive Janeway would have found her resolve to put her Captaincy first a little more challenged.
I agree, Chakotay was just... there a lot of the time. Even when he challenged Janeway she usually won out in the end. You have to wonder if he had had a little more 'oomph' in his personality if things would have gone differently.
The whole Angry Warrior story translated to "I am passive, you are in charge." The first time I saw it I was like.. wth, that's not what she wants in a man. I think that's part of why she values 7 because 7 is provocative. Of course she's way over the top but because of her background Janeway can give her leeway she would never allow if it was, say, Paris speaking to her like that.

The other problem with the Angry Warrior story is.. when is Chakotay ever angry? He didn't even have much of a reaction to the Seska betrayal.. he could have had a huge enraged scene over that. Now if he had told a Peaceful Warrior story it would have made more sense. Yes apparently he found peace as Janeways manservant at the end of the story but it's not like we see an angry past anywhere in his nature.

He's the sort of guy that a woman kind of looks over the shoulder of to find someone more exciting and then wakes up after some years and men have passed and realizes how compatible they really are. I thought it completely believable that they ended up together in the books (and a giant Fuck You to the fans that they immediately killed her after one night).

If Chakotay had been provocative angry maquis warrior with a spiritual side I'd be a total J/C'er. And yet I'm glad too that Voyager isn't a romance but about a leader finding a way home for her people.
That's very true about 7, also true about Paris because he can be rather snarky. I've always found that with Janeway and Paris is that they make great verbal sparring partners, because they've both got guts (and they make great character foils for eachother).

To me J/C made sense because they built it up, but it's not without it's flaws. I totally agree that making Chakotay less passive would have made the J/C relationship way more interesting. Imagine the intense discussions they would have had.

Oh the books. I'm still bitter over that giant 'fuck you' moment where KJ was killed off, and I probably will be bitter until she is back, alive and happily with Chakotay. With the whole 'one night together' thing, I view it as 'well at least we got some J/C', but I'm still not happy that they put Chakotay through that. The poor guy was almost destroyed by Janeway's death!
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Old April 28 2012, 01:58 AM   #108
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For a supposedly bad boy and a Klingon babe that romance was incredibly domestic.
Sometimes relationships are easy.

Not everything is Heathcliff and Catherine.
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Old April 28 2012, 02:07 AM   #109
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For a supposedly bad boy and a Klingon babe that romance was incredibly domestic.
Sometimes relationships are easy.

Not everything is Heathcliff and Catherine.
This is television. For romance you need something more than replicated popcorn in front of an antique tv.
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Old April 28 2012, 02:14 AM   #110
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With the whole 'one night together' thing, I view it as 'well at least we got some J/C',
You know I've always been J/7 though I usually keep my potential Chakotay mockery to myself because I like this forum to be a happy place. But if I was going to totally flip the bird to the J/C romance crowd (which is mostly women) that is just the way I would write it. Give them what they want and then give them the biggest Fuck You ever. Maniacal laughter etc..

Yeah I'm bitter, it seems quite likely to me that there was an element of that from Peter David.
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Old April 28 2012, 02:17 AM   #111
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Most relationships are awful.

If it wasn't for kids, the divorce rate would treble and the presence of new marriages would 1/4.

Star Trek is not Dystopian.

The indystopianitudity should extend to all facets of startreacianess.

Besides after Bev and Picard, as well as Riker and Dee... I know I was owed a happily ever after in the shortfall.
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Old April 28 2012, 02:26 AM   #112
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I wonder what B'Elanna thought of Grease.
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Old April 28 2012, 02:56 AM   #113
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I feel that she's more of a Grease II sort of girl.
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Old April 28 2012, 03:11 AM   #114
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With the whole 'one night together' thing, I view it as 'well at least we got some J/C',
You know I've always been J/7 though I usually keep my potential Chakotay mockery to myself because I like this forum to be a happy place. But if I was going to totally flip the bird to the J/C romance crowd (which is mostly women) that is just the way I would write it. Give them what they want and then give them the biggest Fuck You ever. Maniacal laughter etc..

Yeah I'm bitter, it seems quite likely to me that there was an element of that from Peter David.
I try to find the positive in it, but really there isn't; it's still a huge insult to J/C fans and more importantly to Janeway fans. I don't blame Peter David for the choice of killing off Janeway, that's a problem I have with the editors who decided on that. I blame him for how he killed off Janeway. If you're going to kill off a character, do it in a damn respectful way, not some shitty capture and transformation by an enemy that said character has defeated on numerous occasions. That's what really ticked me off.

On another note, is it ironic that I'm a huge J/C fan and yet I still poke fun at Chuckles on occasion?
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Old April 28 2012, 03:17 AM   #115
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How would you have killed her then if you had been put in Pete's position?
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Old April 28 2012, 03:43 AM   #116
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How would have killed her then if you had been put in Pete's position?
To be perfectly honest I would rather not kill Janeway at all, but if I was forced to and had no choice this would be my general plan:

- Have it done in a Voyager novel. A captain should die in a novel of their own respective series imo.
- Janeway should be in command of Voyager, defending the Federation for what it is and upholding the principles that are in her blood. How she died in BD was not heroic (as some claim) because she was turned into the very enemy that she despised and fought against for years.
- If she died on the battlefield, she would be a hero. I think that that is her place, to fight, command and if it came to it, to die on the bridge of a starship.
- Aside from that, I would be perfectly happy to see her go and live a happy life with Chakotay away from all of this, but I don't think that she could stay away.

But as for having her die by the hands of the Borg: NO.
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Old April 28 2012, 03:54 AM   #117
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Old April 28 2012, 08:29 AM   #118
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I'm kind of surprised no one here likes that Janeway got assimilated as the Borg Queen. It seemed really fitting.

I don't particular mind that plot development, but I do have to admit having her die was a bit extreme. I think the events of Q&A and Full Circle could have collided to allow Janeway to be rescued when "They" restored the borg.
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But becoming Q's sex slave wasn't?
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