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Old April 27 2012, 01:49 AM   #4036
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No, Superman and Lori Lemarr.

Y'know, the man of steel and the woman of tail?

You plan on getting some tail, but talk about the catch of the day!
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Old April 27 2012, 01:58 AM   #4037
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Ah. No idea there.

Makes me think of this, though.

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Old April 27 2012, 02:10 AM   #4038
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No, Superman and Lori Lemarr.

Y'know, the man of steel and the woman of tail?

You plan on getting some tail, but talk about the catch of the day!
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Old April 28 2012, 02:52 PM   #4039
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Okay, I guess Aquaman is on the pull list now. (Anyone else get a kinda Martian vibe about Vostok? He seems to struggle with Russian, even though he's supposed to be Russian.)
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Old April 28 2012, 05:32 PM   #4040
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Just Aquaman today...this talk about Captain Planet makes me want an ongoing or mini-series
Fuck Captain Planet!

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One of the entertaining aspects of the new Superman is seeing him deal with considerably more resistance and suspicion than the old Boy Scout.
This is nothing new and has been part of the comics for some time now.
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Old April 29 2012, 04:50 AM   #4041
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Justice League just baffles me. It was hyped up to be THE book of the New 52, with Johns and Lee working together for the first time, with all the major characters of the DCU. It is considered the flagship book of the New 52 as well, one of the major selling points. What has been extremely disappointing is Johns writing of the characters as nothing more than un-likeable caricatures of each other, even Aquaman who he writes near perfectly in the solo book, is written different in Justice League. The origin story was bizarre in the way it was structured and written as well. At least Jim Lee was bringing it...his art was pretty fantastic. Can't say the same for Johns writing. I haven't been this disappointed by a book in a long time that I was highly anticipating at first.
Agree completely. The juvenile behavior didn't really bother me much in the first 6 issues, because they were just meeting and getting to know each other (and Lee's art made it all look so damn cool).

But I just flipped through the latest issue and holy shit. All the stuff with Green Arrow trying to join the team, and the constant joking around at his expense, just made these guys seem like the most immature group of assholes ever.

I can understand Johns wanting to make the characters seem "fun and edgy", but he forgot that they still need to act like freakin adults as well.
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Old April 29 2012, 03:06 PM   #4042
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The Reis splash page of an all-out war with J'onn J'onz does, or tries to do, much of the work of justifying their behaviour. The concluding scene indicates that, if JJ remains the wise soul of the DC Universe that he was before, that we are in fact supposed to see this JLA as relatively immature.
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Old April 29 2012, 06:57 PM   #4043
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I wanted to read all my DC books last night but was too tired.
So, read All-Star Western #8 and this book continues to impress me.
I'm wondering if the new editorial decision for Hex was to go with loose connectivity vs the stand alone issues of the last series. Cause so far that is what is happening here and I'm enjoying it. I say that as someone who bought over 20 issues of the solo, self contained Hex and praised the same thing. Knowing I could just drop in at any time and yet so far this loose continuity 8 issues in is working.
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Old April 29 2012, 10:56 PM   #4044
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I gave up on the DC relaunch. i had been getting all the batman, superman titles, and some others. I gave these books until the conclusion of their first arcs (except for batman which just keeps going and going and going) but i just wasn't impressed to come back.
I'll just stick with the older era of comics.
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Old April 29 2012, 11:09 PM   #4045
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Batman: Court of Owls does go into Night of Owls which concludes in May. The second arc of the book is supposed to be a "game changer" according to Bleeding Cool. What that means no one knows yet. Keep in mind though the stuff that Snyder has been doing has tied back to his and Kyle Higgins Gates of Gotham mini-series last summer.
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Old April 30 2012, 12:34 AM   #4046
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I've just read 2 through 8 of the New Guardians.

Quite enjoyable, however you can tell that Bedard caught a recent screening of The Starlost.

Am I the only one that wants to see Fatality and Poochy Hook up?
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Old April 30 2012, 05:51 AM   #4047
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years? I would rather have a paint by numbers jerk to hero quest set up, than go back to that again.
There has to be something other than the two extremes.
I'm sure Mike Allred would be able to do an awesome Captain Marvel series. Madman had a likeable do-gooder hero, with an upeat, yet modern sensibility. And he was cool. I've been re-reading some of the original 40's Captain Marvel and it's awesome. Simple four color magic that tells you all you need to know about why the character is still remembered today.

There's a trend where modern comics creators try to take some seemingly crazy concept of old and try to make it workable in a more realistic setting. One of the first of these was James Robinson having the Red Bee show up at a spectral dinner in Starman and make him a more believable character.

(The Red Bee fought crime in early comics with two trained bees. Yeah. Trained bees.)

Since then, we've seen plenty of this with Marvel's "The Twelve" being when the concept started to get old for me, because I had been following these types of stories for some time.

Captain Marvel was not made to be "realistic". Superman works, but Captain Marvel has a comic strip (not comic book) vibe to him. Everything seems especially archetypal and mythic in some of his old stories. Simple primary colors abound, and that's what caught the eyes of kids back in the day.

The attempts by Ordway, Smith and Kunkel were decent enough, but I'd love to see Allred bring his retro vibe to an attempt and I'd like DC to stop with the idiotic notion that this is a character that should be made "realistic", "dark" and "edgy". There's a flood of that on the comics stands, we don't need yet another one.

Yes, the final scene in "First Thunder" was interesting and touching and it also showed perfectly why this concept does not work the more "realistic" you try to make it. Superman's reaction was the reaction of a normal adult, both in the comic world and the real world and Shazam did nothing to change my mind. His attitude was basically "I'm going to subject the boy to this anyway and you can either help, or who knows how he'll deal with it."

They need to be looking at melding Cap's original sensibility with something like Tin Tin. Modern fantasy tales set in a timeless world full of super mythic adventures. A world of mad scientists, giant robots, genius worms and a family of super heroes. A world of that's fun to visit and unapologetic about it.

A world of imagination unbound.

Damn realism, edgy, gritty and cynicism. The world has no shortage of that.
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Old April 30 2012, 09:28 AM   #4048
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I'll just stick with the older era of comics.
I haven't been impressed either, but I'll try back in about five years. DC also had alot of growing pains after the first Crisis; we had crap like Legends, Millenium and Invasion; but by 1992 the tone was starting to change as creators finally began shaping a cohesive identity of the post Crisis era. As we got into the mid 90's, we were heading into the post-Crisis heyday with the Grant Morrison JLA; Phil Jimenez Wonder Woman; Mark Waid's stride; Geoff John's beginnings; etc.

It just takes time to get a stalled motor going again; and right now DC hasn't yet managed to get the engine to turnover again.
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Old April 30 2012, 12:48 PM   #4049
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You sound like the Shadows from babylon 5.

Sleeping for thousands of years, waiting for things to get just so, before they bring out their A game.
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I'm sure Mike Allred would be able to do an awesome Captain Marvel series. Madman had a likeable do-gooder hero, with an upeat, yet modern sensibility. And he was cool. I've been re-reading some of the original 40's Captain Marvel and it's awesome. Simple four color magic that tells you all you need to know about why the character is still remembered today.
I agree with all of your post, but I just wanted to give another shout out about Mike Allred doing Captain Marvel. Yes, yes, yes, and again YES.

Wouldn't it be great if DC had a book that was accessible to... I don't know... the young? The young at heart?
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