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Old April 25 2012, 07:44 PM   #61
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Re: Cold Equations by David Mack???

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I think Mack should throw a curveball and upload Tasha Yar's brain into B-4.
Please don't bring her back.
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Old April 25 2012, 09:41 PM   #62
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After the revelations of "Nemesis", I told Jeff Lang that if he ever did a sequel to "Immortal Coil", perhaps the prototypes would be B-1, B-2 and B-3.
As I've said before, that doesn't work for me because B-4 was simply too crude to be the fourth prototype out of six.
Sure, and "Immortal Coil" cleverly manages never to describe the three prototypes that Juliana had actually met, even though they were in the background of scenes in "Immortal Coil". These three prototypes may well have been barely recognizable as humanesque robotic forms. (Playmates put a little non-canonical plastic robot/android in as an accessory for their Dr Soong action figure.) In any case, we know that Julia had met three prototypes before Lore, IC mentioned Data having located them and storing them, and "Nemesis" showed that Soong had created at least one other.

I've suggested, B-1 through B-3 might've been nonhumanoid prototypes of just the positronic brain
I imagine more work would have been spent getting just the brain right. It's rather weird how often the entire android body is put aside just because the positronic brain wasn't functioning correctly.

Or, Soong could have gave himself a countdown to perfection, starting with beta test models B-4 ("before"), then B-3, B-2, B-1, and resorting to "Lore", who turned out to be a disaster and then "Data" when he'd run out of numbered designations.

With so little canonical information a lot of possibilities are there. Thankfully, the revised script for "Nemesis" ditched the previous name of "B-9" ("benign").
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Old April 25 2012, 09:52 PM   #63
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don't be a party pooper
Wouldn't be TrekLit forum otherwise...

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^ Absolutely not.
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Old April 25 2012, 10:12 PM   #64
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Thankfully, the revised script for "Nemesis" ditched the previous name of "B-9" ("benign").
Which was already taken...
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Old April 25 2012, 10:23 PM   #65
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Thank you.
Hey, David only said that the events of the comic wouldn't come to pass.

And given the terribad "uh, b4 got enough intelligence to apparently decide to sacrifice himself to let data return", or whatever it was way countdown went about it, I should hope not.

Just to keep you in a state of terrified anticipation
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Old April 26 2012, 12:28 AM   #66
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Just to keep you in a state of terrified anticipation
"Paralyzed, terrified anticipation", thank you very much.
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Old April 26 2012, 02:43 AM   #67
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I think Mack should throw a curveball and upload Tasha Yar's brain into B-4.
Please don't bring her back.
What's wrong with Tasha Yar?
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Old April 26 2012, 06:28 AM   #68
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^ Tasha Yar and the bizarre situation on Turkana IV needs a book beyond what Jean Lorrah covered in the 80's.
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Old April 26 2012, 08:22 AM   #69
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^The movie made it pretty clear that B-4 was very simple and incapable of the kind of growth and learning that Lal showed. I mean, that was the whole thematic point behind the character.
Sure. That in itself doesn't preclude the possibility that he was the fourth prototype of six: B-4 did demonstrate reasonably advanced language and cognition skills, and it's imaginable that the previous three were significantly less functional.

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LOL!
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Old April 26 2012, 08:28 AM   #70
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So if the editorial decision were made to make the novels consistent with Countdown, there's no reason they couldn't be. After all, that comic sold very well, so there could be good marketing/economic reasons to tie into it. It would just be something that both the novels and STO chose to be consistent with, just as they're both consistent with canon. It would just fit into their respective tapestries in different ways.
It's worth noting that the STO history doesn't diverge overly from Treklit. The Needs of the Many, for instance, cites pressure from the Gorns' various allies--the Romulans, Tzenkethi, Breen, Tholians, and Kinshaya, i.e. the other Typhon Pact polities in the main Treklitverse--as key in preventing an early outbreak of Gorn-Klingon war.

As for incorporating the events of Countdown, well, what we glimpsed there is but the tip of the iceberg. How much did we really see of the broader astropolitical background?
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Old April 26 2012, 01:30 PM   #71
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It's worth noting that the STO history doesn't diverge overly from Treklit. The Needs of the Many, for instance, cites pressure from the Gorns' various allies--the Romulans, Tzenkethi, Breen, Tholians, and Kinshaya, i.e. the other Typhon Pact polities in the main Treklitverse--as key in preventing an early outbreak of Gorn-Klingon war.
Sure, the folks who make STO have borrowed some concepts from Trek Lit, just as they've borrowed concepts from a lot of other sources. But they've also blatantly contradicted a lot of Trek Lit continuity, particularly where DS9 and VGR are concerned.
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Old April 26 2012, 04:41 PM   #72
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Which is as it should be. As for STO not diverging overly from TrekLit - I thought that the Destiny trilogy didn't happen?
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Old April 26 2012, 04:55 PM   #73
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it didn't. and iirc, Species 8472 are back and waging war.
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Old April 26 2012, 04:56 PM   #74
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Yeah, the continued presence of the Borg in ST:O is the most outstanding divergence between the continuities.
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Old April 26 2012, 05:41 PM   #75
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Which, you know, as much as I love and prefer the litverse, is completely understandable. They couldn't make a big-budget video game title designed to appeal to the masses (and specifically released to come shortly after the release of the Abrams film), and not only have it not include one of the franchise's most popular villains, but have it be something that happened a while back in some books that most of their players will never read.

Its unfortunate, but that's marketing for ya. I greatly enjoy STO, but not for the plot. Its a sandbox that I use to fly around and blow stuff up.
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