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Old April 23 2012, 02:14 PM   #4006
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Brain damaged childlike Guy Gardner and Captain Marvel roasting smores on a camping trip during the international years will always be hilarious.

There has been so little Captain Marvel over the decades.

Power of Shazam was a blip, his days in the JSA were inconsequential compared to what Black Adam brought to he party... Trials of Shazam with Freddie working his way up to the big leagues was a bust... And? A few really excellent guestspots...

I really wish johns had gone more indepth with Billy and Courtney, becuase that was hilarious.

"Sigh"

Characters grow.

He's staring as an ashole, and he's going to grow into gee whizz, but if he had started at geewhizz, We could see him go dark.... Black Billy.
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Old April 23 2012, 02:37 PM   #4007
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years? I would rather have a paint by numbers jerk to hero quest set up, than go back to that again.
There has to be something other than the two extremes.
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Old April 23 2012, 02:47 PM   #4008
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years? I would rather have a paint by numbers jerk to hero quest set up, than go back to that again.
It's really not the best direction to go with Billy.

Read Shazam/Superman First Thunder. It's a very good exploration of a kid who has been endowed with powers no man should have and basically in over his head . The whole last issue with his dead friend and revealing his identity to Superman really is probably the best depiction of Captain Marvel I have seen.

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Old April 23 2012, 02:59 PM   #4009
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years?
There was a pretty successful children's book series recently about an innocent "gosh golly gee" orphan type who developed magic powers and, as a result, underwent all sorts of character development without turning into a paint by number gritty modern DC character. You might have heard of it. I'm sure executives at DC's parent company have.

Not every comic book needs to be exactly like every other. Some characters, like Batman, lend themselves more to grim and gritty adult fare. Shazam was, and should be, a children's comic book. An introduction to superheroes.

You'd think that, with the success of young adult/kids books like Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, etc., DC/WB would be scouring their back issues for characters to market to kids.

Capt. Marvel, with all his "gosh golly gee" could have been DCs/WBs answer to "the Incredibles" and "Megamind." Too bad no one at the companies seems to have the slightest idea what to do with any property not named "Batman."
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Old April 23 2012, 03:57 PM   #4010
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years?
Nah, I just don't want to read about this shithead. Don't have to like either version, do I?
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Old April 23 2012, 04:47 PM   #4011
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You location has been logged.

Stormtroopers, kicked in doors and reeducation is forthcoming.



Mary and Freddy are far more interesting.

Especially if they hook up, and Billy is an awkward third wheel.
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Old April 23 2012, 06:08 PM   #4012
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Mary I recognized. Which one is Freddy?
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Old April 23 2012, 07:06 PM   #4013
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Freddie Freeman is Captain Marvel Junior. His super hero god body is that of a child the same age as he is, who is lame, literally, has to walk with a crutch, and CMJ's (A name he went by briefly as a Titan in the 90s.) uniform is identical to Captain Marvel, except that it is Blue instead of red. To transform into Captain Marvel Junior, he has to say the magic words "CAPTAIN MARVEL" which is the height of irony since while fighting evil he can't say his own name without retransforming into a 10 year old cripple kid.

Briefly between final crisis and flashpoint, Billy got to take over the Wizard Shazam's job guarding the Rock of Eternity.and Judd Winick wrote a book with Howard Porter about how the SHAZAM powers were put into play and Freddie had to earn those powers back while evil conspired to change the orientation of the universe from mostly good to mostly evil by undercutting freddie.

It wasn't an awful read.

His brother is Kid Eternity, also a Titan I believe, who has the power to bring forth any figure from history or fiction to help him in his adventures.
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Old April 23 2012, 08:30 PM   #4014
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Okay, then Freddie is the pick-pocket in this one.
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Old April 23 2012, 08:37 PM   #4015
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So you guys would rather have the "gosh, golly, gee whiz" Billy back? The one with absolutely no room for character devolpment in the last 50 years? I would rather have a paint by numbers jerk to hero quest set up, than go back to that again.
Why does it have to be one cliche or the other?
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Old April 23 2012, 10:35 PM   #4016
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It doesn't surprise me that Johns seems to be going with the Flashpoint version of the Marvel errrr Shazam family. He usually sticks with concepts that he likes. Just don't like this version of Billy in particular. I've only read the one part so far since I dropped Justice League and that was enough for me.
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Old April 24 2012, 01:02 AM   #4017
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i too hate the new Billy Batson. for a good and fun, 'goodie goodie' version of Captain Marvel, check out 'Billy Batson and the Magic of Shazam'. yeah, its an all ages comic...but its a lot of fun.
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Old April 24 2012, 01:53 AM   #4018
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i too hate the new Billy Batson. for a good and fun, 'goodie goodie' version of Captain Marvel, check out 'Billy Batson and the Magic of Shazam'. yeah, its an all ages comic...but its a lot of fun.
That was great.
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Old April 24 2012, 12:47 PM   #4019
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The Jeff Smith Monster Society of Evil is pretty good, too.
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Old April 25 2012, 01:42 AM   #4020
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Billy Batson is an asshole. I don't care if that feature disappears altogether.
Yeah. And it looks like they are heading towards the "Flashpoint" version of Captain Mar... er SHAZAM.
I wouldn't mind too much if they brought back the dynamic they had in Flashpoint. That was really interesting.
A multiracial group of kids who combine to form a superhero? Isn't that just Captain Planet?
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