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Old April 22 2012, 10:25 PM   #796
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Re: "John Carter of Mars" Moving Ahead!

^^ I agree. I never listen to critics, except to glean factual information that I can use to form a preliminary opinion.

As for renaming movies, it was more common in the distant past, but under the circumstances I think it's a tradition worth reviving.
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Old April 22 2012, 10:34 PM   #797
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Well I was really bored, I knew nothing of it going in, so had no bias against it. It's not terrible, it's just not worth spending money on, in my opinion.
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Old April 22 2012, 11:15 PM   #798
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Warped9 wrote: View Post
...Really, it was stupid how many seemed to jump on to the bandwagon pissing on a film that a lot of them probably never saw. People can be like lemmings...
I think that's a little demeaning. The trailers and marketing simply didn't grab a lot of people, and the title was a huge HUGE mistake. Finally, I know a lot of people who DID see it and who found it mediocre—myself included.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark is now officially Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark
Only on the packaging. It is still just called ROTLA in the movie.
Thank goodness. It's a stupid title anyway because Indy happens to be one of the titular Raiders!

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Well, the reviewers certainly saw it, and they didn't seem to care for it, but I have a close friend who liked it, so I'll have to see for myself.
By all means, see it and judge for yourself. I'd be interested in hearing your opinion.
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Old April 23 2012, 01:19 AM   #799
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The same friend who liked it is sure to get it on home video. So, I will see it...eventually.
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Old April 23 2012, 02:24 AM   #800
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I could tell the marketing was going off the rails when they announced what the name would be - long before any of the advertising hit (which was the nail in the coffin.)

It's not people's fault if they ignore something that's good because the marketing is bad. People don't have time to sample everything. They depend on marketing and advertising to give them some indication of what's worthwhile. And any corporation should realize that they need to invest in a good product and in good marketing and advertising - doing half the job gets you nowhere.
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Old April 23 2012, 04:21 AM   #801
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Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
It's not people's fault if they ignore something that's good because the marketing is bad. People don't have time to sample everything. They depend on marketing and advertising to give them some indication of what's worthwhile. And any corporation should realize that they need to invest in a good product and in good marketing and advertising - doing half the job gets you nowhere.
Well said.
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Old April 23 2012, 05:08 AM   #802
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I really enjoyed John Carter, but I thought the title was stupid. The thing about the title is that it shows no imagination, creativity, or any particular respect for the source material.

As someone who enjoyed the books years ago, my first impression about the title was that the producer didn't give a crap about the source material, and I almost didn't go to see it for that reason, along with lackluster marketing, reviews etc.

I ended up seeing it weeks after release when another show I wanted to see was sold out. I was surprised and pleased.

I'm just one ticket, but I'm probably a pretty fair example of someone who wouldn't have seen the movie due to the title and poor marketing presentation, but would have had a better impression had they done it differently, and called it "Princess of Mars."
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Old April 23 2012, 06:27 AM   #803
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Considering I don't hold many reviewers in high regard then them not liking it doesn't carry much weight with me. I've seen too many films reviewers loved and left me unmoved as well as too many films reviewers dissed and I enjoyed.
Same for me. I loved John Carter, but I tried Black Swan a few months ago, and I don't think I even made it 30 min. into it before I got bored and quit.
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Old April 23 2012, 03:10 PM   #804
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Only on the packaging. It is still just called ROTLA in the movie.
Thank goodness. It's a stupid title anyway because Indy happens to be one of the titular Raiders!
Hence the inclusive "and."

Like, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.
Tome Petty and the Heartbreakers.
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Old April 23 2012, 10:18 PM   #805
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I really enjoyed John Carter, but I thought the title was stupid. The thing about the title is that it shows no imagination, creativity, or any particular respect for the source material.
The worst thing is the rumor (may be more than rumor) that Disney changed the title because they didn't want "Mars" in a movie title after Mars Needs Moms tanked. If that's true, it represents boneheadedly literal Hollywood thinking at its worst.
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Old April 23 2012, 10:22 PM   #806
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Forbin wrote: View Post
Maurice wrote: View Post

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Only on the packaging. It is still just called ROTLA in the movie.
Thank goodness. It's a stupid title anyway because Indy happens to be one of the titular Raiders!
Hence the inclusive "and."

Like, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.
Tome Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Tome? Is that Tom's book nerd cousin?
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Old April 23 2012, 11:00 PM   #807
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The worst thing is the rumor (may be more than rumor) that Disney changed the title because they didn't want "Mars" in a movie title after Mars Needs Moms tanked. If that's true, it represents boneheadedly literal Hollywood thinking at its worst.
But there's also Mission to Mars and Ghosts of Mars, which flopped to various degrees. What more proof do you want?
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Old April 23 2012, 11:28 PM   #808
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So if Totall Recall had had 'Mars' in the title, it would have flopped?

I think it's more likely that all of those films failed because they were terrible.
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Old April 23 2012, 11:55 PM   #809
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Gov Kodos wrote: View Post
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Thank goodness. It's a stupid title anyway because Indy happens to be one of the titular Raiders!
Hence the inclusive "and."

Like, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.
Tome Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Tome? Is that Tom's book nerd cousin?
Yes. Yes it is.
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Old April 24 2012, 12:18 AM   #810
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So if Totall Recall had had 'Mars' in the title, it would have flopped?
You'll notice that they removed Mars from the Total Recall remake altogether...
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