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Old April 19 2012, 04:49 PM   #16
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Re: Bridge Modules

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Old April 20 2012, 10:33 PM   #17
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Re: Bridge Modules

Interchangable bridge modules is very feasible.

I'm an aerospace engineering, currently working as a liaison engineer where I take structures that aren't per drawing and make them work. Airplanes and space vehicles are often constructed in a module fashion for easier construction and so you can build sub assemblies at different locations. This also makes it easier to swap out bad parts and assemblies.

So we already practice this type of construction method in aerospace now. Starfleet obviously does too since they can swap out saucers, nacelles, etc on many of their ships. Swapping out bridge modules I'm sure is easier than swapping out an entire engine nacelle or even a warp core.

What if you want to install a bridge that wasn't made to fit a particular ship class? No big deal. With appropriate adapters you can make the electronics compatable and maintain acceptable load paths.

Look at the Boeing 747 Dreamlifter or NASA Shuttle Carrier Aircraft. These 747s are converted airliners. If we can do that to a 747, Starfleet can do it with a bridge module.
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Old April 21 2012, 06:52 AM   #18
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Re: Bridge Modules

There are Industrial Transporters, and Industrial Replicators (per se).

Scan the area for the Bridge, and task the replicator to fill it up with things ranging from Beams to Cup Holders.

CAD with a "practical" application.
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Old April 21 2012, 01:05 PM   #19
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...Which might be why "modular bridges" no longer appear to be in fashion in the 24th century.

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Old April 21 2012, 05:20 PM   #20
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See what I mean...

Forgot to put an In-line Fuse in the Circuit.
Actually, Exploding Consoles of Doom are technically realistic.

I found this thread from a couple years back where an electrical engineer explains what is happening and why:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=131768
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Old April 21 2012, 05:46 PM   #21
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...Which might be why "modular bridges" no longer appear to be in fashion in the 24th century.

Timo Saloniemi
Actually, they seem more commonplace than ever:
  • at least 3 different Miranda class bridges (Lantree, Brattain, and Saratoga)
  • 2 different Nebula class bridges (Prometheus [in "Second Sight"] and Sutherland)
  • 2 different Constellation bridges (Stargazer and Hathaway)
  • Ambassador class bridge (Enterprise-C)
  • Oberth class (Tsilokovsky),
  • Prometheus class (Prometheus in "Message in a Bottle")
  • 3 different Galaxy class (Enterprise-D [series], Odyssey, and Enterprise-D ["Generations'])
  • Excelsior class (Hanson's ship at Wolf 359)
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Old April 21 2012, 06:07 PM   #22
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Ian,

Your list though quite comprehensive, lists Bridges of similar
construction, not necessarily modular.

My concept of "modular" is somewhat "plug and play".
I think that is what the OP was trying to get across...right ?
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Old April 21 2012, 06:30 PM   #23
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Ian,

Your list though quite comprehensive, lists Bridges of similar
construction, not necessarily modular.

My concept of "modular" is somewhat "plug and play".
I think that is what the OP was trying to get across...right ?
Many of those bridges are quite different in configuration, even when used on the same class of ship (for example the extreme difference between the Nebula-class Sutherland and the Prometheus bridges).

The easiest way to explain differences so radical are "modules", which are indeed as you say "plug and play". Far easier to swap out the module than it is to tear out the interior of the bridge deck and rebuild from either the frame out or hull in.

Mind you, simply swapping out bridge modules is not all that would be done in a refit for mission change. Changing bridges affects only the ship's C3 (Command, Control, and Communications) capabilities.
Other changes would be made to sensor platforms, weapons systems, etc.
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Old April 22 2012, 03:52 AM   #24
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Besides, you wanna try an fit one of those consoles in a turbolift?
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Old April 22 2012, 08:21 AM   #25
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The idea of a bridge that can be popped in and out as needed does make sense, considering where it is and what we can already do with computers.

But the thought does beg the question--it is it really smart to put the bridge on top of the ship at such an exposed position? Wouldn't it make much more sense for the bridge to be in the middle of the ship even on the most peaceful of missions? It is not like the thing has a window the helmsman needs to look out.
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Old April 22 2012, 05:51 PM   #26
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The idea of a bridge that can be popped in and out as needed does make sense, considering where it is and what we can already do with computers.

But the thought does beg the question--it is it really smart to put the bridge on top of the ship at such an exposed position? Wouldn't it make much more sense for the bridge to be in the middle of the ship even on the most peaceful of missions? It is not like the thing has a window the helmsman needs to look out.
The weapons and defensive technologies of this period make this kind of a non-issue. The shields can protect the ship from any damage that might strike near the outer hull and threaten the bridge. On the other hand, if the shields are gone then most anyone's weapon will burn right through and make the exact depth of the command center from the outer hull pretty unimportant. Throughout the series, any ship that was fired on while unshielded was in for some pretty bad news.

It's fair to say that there is no real "safest part of the ship" in this respect.

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Old April 22 2012, 06:46 PM   #27
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Re: Bridge Modules

From a FanFic point of view, I'd...

Put them in them in a more protected area,
Give them a small Power Source,
Have individual "local" shields just for the Bridge,
(less likely to be damaged or transported into),
Separate (from ship) Environmental and Gravity,
Maybe even a detachable unit, with their own propulsion,
And possibly limit entry to a site/site transporter.

IMHO

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Old April 23 2012, 12:28 PM   #28
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Actually, they seem more commonplace than ever
What I meant was that the "modularity" aspect of them would seem to be undermined by the fact that they aren't interchangeable between the classes. That is, while Starfleet still likes to create different interiors for different individual starships, the "standard module" of the Constitution, Miranda and Constellation starships plus some other kitbashes from that era is not matched by any sort of a "standard module" for the 24th century.

Furthermore, the different interiors seen for, say, Nebula bridges do not directly suggest the swapping of bridge-sized modules, as their very shapes differ so radically (while the exterior of the ship remains "standard"). For all we know, we are seeing different rooms within these vast vessels instead.

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Old April 23 2012, 01:49 PM   #29
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Actually, they seem more commonplace than ever
What I meant was that the "modularity" aspect of them would seem to be undermined by the fact that they aren't interchangeable between the classes.
Not so. Modularity doesn't imply inter-class compatability.

Example: Many of the electronics packages on our fighters and bombers today are modular, and intended for quick swapping out for maintenance/replacement.

That said, you wouldn't put an F-15 radar module in a B-2 bomber.

That is, while Starfleet still likes to create different interiors for different individual starships, the "standard module" of the Constitution, Miranda and Constellation starships plus some other kitbashes from that era is not matched by any sort of a "standard module" for the 24th century.
We don't know that either.

Furthermore, the different interiors seen for, say, Nebula bridges do not directly suggest the swapping of bridge-sized modules, as their very shapes differ so radically (while the exterior of the ship remains "standard"). For all we know, we are seeing different rooms within these vast vessels instead.

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Not supported by any evidence. they are all clearly identified and identifiable as Bridges.
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Old April 25 2012, 05:46 AM   #30
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From a FanFic point of view, I'd...

Put them in them in a more protected area,
Give them a small Power Source,
Have individual "local" shields just for the Bridge,
(less likely to be damaged or transported into),
Separate (from ship) Environmental and Gravity,
Maybe even a detachable unit, with their own propulsion,
And possibly limit entry to a site/site transporter.

IMHO

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Mr. Scott's Guide sort of got into this, using an on screen-bit from TWOK. Basically the bridge dome (and B and C deck) would have a secondary shield system...that covers surprise attacks to the bridge, boarding parties, and the like. It would go up on Yellow Alert and would be really strong protective bubble. There's also batteries and life support dedicated to just the bridge.

I think in Trek the bridge is supposed to have massive shielding (in shields and...uh, duranium(?)..and they're basically domes or semi-spheres so that helps. But it isn't going to take a direct hit from a torpedo unshielded. In the core of the ship I think you'll find sickbay, the main computer system's bulk, and auxiliary control.

Maybe the original thinking was the bridge would be closer and directly tied into to the sensors and scanners and communications antenna, and just a sense of 'front window' looking out from the superstructure kind of thing....
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