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Old April 18 2012, 03:14 AM   #31
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

Oh, the pain.....
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Old April 18 2012, 04:48 AM   #32
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

To paraphrase Doctor Smith "You puscillanimous poseur!"

How many episodes into Season 2 did it become a live-action cartoon?
(people seem to forget Lost in Space left all seriousness behind shortly after it became colorized)
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Old April 18 2012, 12:50 PM   #33
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

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(people seem to forget Lost in Space left all seriousness behind shortly after it became colorized)
A lot of American shows got less serious when they went into color, didn't they? Adventures of Superman, The Fugitive to some extent, ... even Gilligan's Island managed to get even sillier.

Doctor Who got silly eventually, but not immediately upon going colo(u)r.
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Old April 18 2012, 01:30 PM   #34
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(people seem to forget Lost in Space left all seriousness behind shortly after it became colorized)
A lot of American shows got less serious when they went into color, didn't they? Adventures of Superman, The Fugitive to some extent, ... even Gilligan's Island managed to get even sillier.

Doctor Who got silly eventually, but not immediately upon going colo(u)r.
An interesting Starlog article with Russell Johnson (The Professor) said that in the last season of Gilligan's Island, the writers wrote more silly "dream sequence" episodes because they were not allowed to write anything that indicated "sex between the castaways".
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Old April 18 2012, 08:55 PM   #35
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

It was also a way to get off that island set and have some fun with the characters without having the castaways actually rescued.
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Old April 19 2012, 05:25 PM   #36
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The psychedelic organ sound on Spock's harp - who knew? I love that riff they play - always reminds me of Ballad of Billy Jo.
You mean Bobbie Gentry’s “Ode to Billy Joe”? That’s a pretty standard blues guitar riff, isn’t it?
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Old April 19 2012, 07:52 PM   #37
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

Knight Templar wrote: View Post
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(people seem to forget Lost in Space left all seriousness behind shortly after it became colorized)
A lot of American shows got less serious when they went into color, didn't they? Adventures of Superman, The Fugitive to some extent, ... even Gilligan's Island managed to get even sillier.

Doctor Who got silly eventually, but not immediately upon going colo(u)r.
An interesting Starlog article with Russell Johnson (The Professor) said that in the last season of Gilligan's Island, the writers wrote more silly "dream sequence" episodes because they were not allowed to write anything that indicated "sex between the castaways".
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It was also a way to get off that island set and have some fun with the characters without having the castaways actually rescued.
Interestingly enough, Gilligan creator Sherwood Schwartz related that they had plans to change the format of the show in the 4th season with flashback episodes/sequences that would have shown the castaways in their lives before the shipwreck. Sadly for the show, which was approved for a 4th season, CBS President William Paley insisted that they reinstate Gunsmoke—which had been cut from the schedule—and to make room for it, the programming execs decided to drop a new show they weren't confident in, and which shared an hour with Gilligan.
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Old April 20 2012, 07:07 AM   #38
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But, they were also going to replace Ginger with 2 new female castaways and have Ginger conveniently forget about the other 6 castaways she was stranded with for so long. They also had some really absurd script ideas. To paraphrase the title of another recent topic, maybe cancellation was a blessing in disguise.
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Old April 20 2012, 01:31 PM   #39
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Re: The Way To Eden = propaganda?

Knight Templar wrote: View Post
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(people seem to forget Lost in Space left all seriousness behind shortly after it became colorized)
A lot of American shows got less serious when they went into color, didn't they? Adventures of Superman, The Fugitive to some extent, ... even Gilligan's Island managed to get even sillier.

Doctor Who got silly eventually, but not immediately upon going colo(u)r.
An interesting Starlog article with Russell Johnson (The Professor) said that in the last season of Gilligan's Island, the writers wrote more silly "dream sequence" episodes because they were not allowed to write anything that indicated "sex between the castaways".
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Old April 22 2012, 06:25 AM   #40
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They handled the whole hippie/rebel issue more effectively and sympathetically in season 2 with just one line of dialogue from Teri Garr.
Truer words could not be spoken in this thread.


transcribed from "Assignment: Earth" (thanks to chakoteya.net):

BETA V COMPUTER: Rocket descending and accelerating. Do you have further instructions, one nine four?

SEVEN: Roberta, you've got to believe me. Look, a truly advanced planet wouldn't use force. They wouldn't come here in strange alien forms. The best of all possible methods would be to take human beings to their world, train them for generations until they're needed here.

ROBERTA: Mister Seven, I want to believe you. I do. I know this world needs help. That's why some of my generation are kind of crazy and rebels, you know. We wonder if we're going to be alive when we're thirty.

"Assignment: Earth" actually seemed to bring a Baby Boomer-generation character to life, as a serious personality, for a brief time. By contrast, "The Way to Eden" seems to trivialize the generational divide that plagued America (and other parts of the world) during the Vietnam War era. Dr. Severn and his Eden-bound Aurora space hippies came across as more of a cheesy uber-60s TV caricature of the Boomers.
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Old April 22 2012, 06:47 AM   #41
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Having said that about constrasting "The Way to Eden" against "Assignment: Earth", it is worth mentioning that Dr. Severn and his merry little band of followers are apparently capable of taking over the Starship Enterprise and using its technology to subdue (and nearly kill) the crew. So let's not completely write them off as an unflattering hippie caricature.

Growing up with TOS reruns, long before TMP or TNG, Severn's plot to storm Auxiliary Control and commandeer the Enterprise in pursuit of their Eden mission left an impression on me. It's easy to dismiss the Aurora pirates as misguided, but they weren't just spoiled, incompetent clowns. They managed to steal both the Aurora and the Enterprise and find the planet they were looking for.

Severn may have been a madman, but he was a brilliant, charismatic madman. His followers did go with him, but they also objected to his tactics. So they weren't transparently dumb and evil. Just lousy writing, lackluster acting, poor directing and apparently not enough nerve to tackle this issue that the episode brought up.

And ultra-cheesy musical scenes.

What I would give to see Adams and Tongo replaced by Crosby, Stills and Nash...
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Old April 22 2012, 10:49 PM   #42
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But, they were also going to replace Ginger with 2 new female castaways and have Ginger conveniently forget about the other 6 castaways she was stranded with for so long. They also had some really absurd script ideas. To paraphrase the title of another recent topic, maybe cancellation was a blessing in disguise.
I've heard that rumor, based on some supposed 4th season scripts, but I've not found what I consider a reputable source for that.

Anyway, I wasn't saying that those choices would have necessarily been a good thing, but it was another way to stretch the format.
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Old April 22 2012, 11:26 PM   #43
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I am a progressive guy and I cannot stand hippies. This "when you are young you are a hippie, when you are old you are part of the establishment" dialectic (many of the '68 generation ended like this) is not helpful for the progressive case. Of course there are some old hippies but they are usually some form of caricature (here is a nice fictional example from a great sci-fi flick).

So yeah, screw the stupid space hippies.
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