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Old April 14 2012, 09:46 AM   #31
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After she got into his brain and ripped out the bits she didn't like, and added upgrades to avoid the lad stumbling across any obvious deal breakers... Am I thinking of something else, or did she make him 1 inch taller?

There was a movie with Rachel Weiss and Paul Rudd called The Shape of Things which is a modern day take on Pygmalion, except that it was an art student using sex and positive reinforcement to suggest that a dumpling loser she just met could be turned into a super stud AS HER END OF YEAR ART PROJECT!

Kathy did the same thing with the Doctor.

She learnt the same valuable lesson never to be forgotten "twice".

Is it just male holograms she has no respect or or all men?

Although deborgging Seven was out and out rape even though Seven was delusional and sick.
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Old April 15 2012, 11:25 AM   #32
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Although deborgging Seven was out and out rape even though Seven was delusional and sick.
A bit strong in description, but I agree with the sentiment. Seven's voyage to humanity seemed more annoying to me as the series went on. As far as we know, she's been Seven since she left the maturation chamber some 16 years before Voyager ran into her. (I guess two years for development extrapolated from 'One') However long, she has little memory worth speaking of her life as Annika Hanson. I never felt the writers established why she should be giving up her Borg abilities. It seemed that it would be more like someone giving up an arm and an eye for her, rather than reclaiming her humanity as it was for Picard or others assimilated as adults.
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Old April 15 2012, 11:40 AM   #33
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it's always been clear that assimilation is rape, because the asimilees don't want to be assimilated, so logically the reverse has to be true if an individual Drone loves being Borg and doesn't want to be extracted from the collective... Then of course the Borg believe that because they are more enlightened than any other species that they are positive that assimilation is for the best and a gift ever, which will be adored, so really Assimilation impossibly can't be rape.

It's like a when a child refuses to take their cancer medicine because it tastes funny.

Sometimes "you" know better.
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Old April 15 2012, 11:45 AM   #34
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I just felt tired of the Spock/Data gotta learn to be a human routine. I would have been far more intrigued by Seven developing herself along with her Borg capacities. Instead, we got Borg is bad, except when we need Seven's Borg abilities to be some deus ex machina.
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Old April 15 2012, 01:08 PM   #35
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Well, Harry said that she was the smartest human being that ever lived.

You just have to wonder if her intellect would crumble with out all that technology to support it?
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Old April 19 2012, 10:09 AM   #36
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I remember that when Voyager came out, it was specifically mentioned that the producers wanted the ship only about half the size of the Galaxy class and a much smaller crew. What was the reasoning for this?
From an interview with Michael Piller, from an Australian magazine from Spring 1994. Note the question and answer from the centre of the middle column (about the 'symbolic ship').

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Old April 19 2012, 10:18 AM   #37
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Here's a bit more (well, actually, it's a lot more) about the designing of the Voyager:
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/voyager1.html

Personally, I kind of wished they had went with the "super-runabout" approach.
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/images/dv-8.jpg
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Old April 19 2012, 10:34 AM   #38
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^ I love that website. I disagree about the super runabout idea, the final version we got was better; although I think a more proportional saucer/warp nacelle size would've looked better.
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Old April 19 2012, 02:53 PM   #39
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I always felt the final version was indeed a "Galaxy-class lite." I think it would have been interesting if they had gone with an even smaller, not so pretty design that wasn't quite like that, but I think DS9 beat them to it with the Defiant.
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Old April 19 2012, 03:05 PM   #40
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Male Captains need large ships to compensate for small penises and fleeting youth.

Female Captains on the other hand want smaller bottoms and children.

A galaxy class or larger would make Janeway look bloated, and that would never do.
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Old April 20 2012, 07:46 AM   #41
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Where is Commander Shelby when you need her.
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Old April 20 2012, 09:02 AM   #42
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Woman driver.

Had to make it easier to park.
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Old April 20 2012, 09:04 AM   #43
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Clearly, the career of Commander 'Crash' Chakotay needs a bit of review.
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Where is Commander Shelby when you need her.
"Admiral" Shelby.

What did you think of the Shelby from the Hidden Frontier fan films?
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I thought she was stunning, beyond beautiful.
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