Welcome new Voyager fans! - Page 79

Lipton · April 10 2012, 01:32 PM

Thanks for the welcome! Yes, some of the books are good, which is a very good thing. I'm just wondering how some of the really stupid ones ever got published.

teacake · April 10 2012, 01:35 PM

I remember one in the "A Time to" series was like some rough first draft punched out as an outline. There's no way it would have been published outside of Trekdom.

Eydie Munroe · April 10 2012, 07:06 PM

Lipton wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, some of those Star Trek pocket novels are just glorified fan fiction. I've seen some stuff on the net that's more well written than certain books.

I reserve the right to ignore any ludicrous, senseless, or inaccurate work of fiction whether it be a book or a certain movie, and make it have no bearing on any fan fiction I write. I haven't yet written any for Voyager, but I eventually will.

Hah! I am so on the same page as you. I've pretty much denied how Voyager ended since about three seconds after I watched it.

And there's definitely better stuff online than got published.

Welcome, by the way.

Eydie

Lipton · April 11 2012, 01:13 AM

teacake: I never heard of that series. Hmmm... sounds like something to avoid, or were the other books in that series good?

Eydie: Thanks for the welcome! Yes, I think Voyager should have at least gotten home at the beginning of second part of Endgame and had most of the episode to actually show what happened with the characters. You never even got to see Voyager dock!

And Christie Golden's book... just didn't have the characters act true to themselves. The story didn't work that well either, I thought it was poorly paced.

teacake · April 11 2012, 01:18 AM

Some of the books in the series were excellent Lipton. The book by KRAD for instance. I read them all in order because Treklit forum (don't go in there, it is dangerous) told me to but it really wasn't necessary. After that I started only reading books by authors I liked. I had to abandon that eventually as all of Treklit morphed into one huge blob with every series in every book.

Violet.Phoenix · April 11 2012, 03:15 AM

teacake wrote:

Some of the books in the series were excellent Lipton. The book by KRAD for instance. I read them all in order because Treklit forum (don't go in there, it is dangerous) told me to but it really wasn't necessary. After that I started only reading books by authors I liked. I had to abandon that eventually as all of Treklit morphed into one huge blob with every series in every book.

Which book by KRAD?

I agree with you about Treklit morphing into a sort of blob, everything is interconnected by these huge story arcs now and it's so hard to keep track of them all (I haven't even delved into the Typhon Pact yet...). It's kind of nice that Voyager has its own storyline now that's mostly separate from the rest of the novels, like Titan was for a while.

I wish that the novels now weren't so focused on conflicts. It feels like we went from the Dominion War to the Borg Invasion to the conflict with the Typhon Pact. Whatever happened to good old exploring (thank goodness for Voyager and Titan in this case).

teacake · April 11 2012, 04:36 AM

I think it was Articles of the Federation. I've liked most KRAD books though James Swallow's Day of the Vipers, first book in the Terok Nor trilogy was the best Treklit I've read.

The morphing into a blob element is bad if you have series or characters you really aren't interested in. I ended up skim reading a lot of Destiny because of this. And yes they have now killed billions of people in the latest mega-war. I so much prefer the smaller stories, the political stories, the stories of the background of one character. Why does the frakking universe always have to be in peril?

My Treklit reading took a major punch in the gut after I read a Babylon 5 trilogy which was just about the best thing I've ever read. Ever. And it made most of Treklit look very dull and choppy and made me sad that some of the stuff published is such crap.

Violet.Phoenix · April 11 2012, 05:27 AM

I have that book sitting on my shelf to read. My favourite KRAD book has to be Q&A; I loved that book. Two of my favourites that I always go back to are TNG #41 The Soldiers of Fear by Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Resistance by J.M. Dillard, both are thrilling books.

But I absolutely love the VOY novels Mosaic and Full Circle, without doubt.

The universe always seems to be in frakking peril nowadays. I don't mind the occasional conflict (because there has to be some here and there, something that I have trouble accepting being the mild pacifist that I am) but having war after war is ridiculous.

I LOVE B5, such a great series. I really ought to check out the books.

Some of the Treklit books have left me rather disappointed (like a certain TNG book that I'm sure others have a particular disdain for; I seriously cannot believe that they allowed that to be published).

teacake · April 11 2012, 05:31 AM

The Bab5 books are hard to find as some are out of print. I think I paid 30 dollars for one of the paperbacks. The trilogy I loved so much was the Techno-Mage trilogy. I also read the Psi-Corp trilogy which while written a bit more minimalist was fantastic. Shows you several generations of Psi-Corp, the origins and Bester's life story. Both of these trilogies blow Treklit out of the water IMHO.

I still have the Centauri trilogy to read, I'm getting to it, I'm working my way up to picking up Peter David again.

Violet.Phoenix · April 11 2012, 05:56 AM

It's unfortunate that so many of these books are harder to find now (even ones from only 4 or 5 years ago are hard to find!). I've been trying to find a few of the Voyager ones for years.

I love the Psi Corps, and Bester was a fantastic character.

I really liked Peter David's early works, like Imzadi and Q-in-Law, but Before Dishonor ruined his image a bit for me. Although he can write Q extremely well, I will say that.

Shatnertage · April 23 2012, 01:34 AM

Are exodus and HoneyBLily still around? They were big contributors to my watch thread, and now that I'm back for Qutluch's thread, I notice they don't seem to be around.

teacake · April 23 2012, 07:14 AM

Exodus is around but I think Honey is a Potterhead now

Shatnertage · April 23 2012, 05:20 PM

Didn't know the fandoms were mutually exclusive.

teacake · April 24 2012, 05:59 AM

They're not, but you know fandom takes up a lot of time..

RCole · April 27 2012, 09:15 AM

Seems to have diverged from the welcome thread but no matter (I enjoy thread creep and can be a practitioner!)

It's nice there's a forum for people who actually like Voyager. I saw it referred to in another thread in sentence saying "for those who can stomach that other show."

I don't understand the negative opinions it seems to generate. It is, overall, pretty darned good.

Ok, DS9 is far and away my favorite Trek series but I like them all including Voyager.

Anyway, new here, long time Trek fan going back to the early 70s when I'd watch TOS on re-runs after school. Just attended my first Trek convention along with my wife, who's also a big Trek fan.

April 10 2012, 01:32 PM	#1171
Lipton Lieutenant Commander Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Thanks for the welcome! Yes, some of the books are good, which is a very good thing. I'm just wondering how some of the really stupid ones ever got published. __________________ - Lipton, that one guy with the screen name of a tea company. "I canna change the laws a physics!" - Scotty

April 10 2012, 01:35 PM	#1172
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! I remember one in the "A Time to" series was like some rough first draft punched out as an outline. There's no way it would have been published outside of Trekdom. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

April 11 2012, 01:13 AM	#1174
Lipton Lieutenant Commander Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! teacake: I never heard of that series. Hmmm... sounds like something to avoid, or were the other books in that series good? Eydie: Thanks for the welcome! Yes, I think Voyager should have at least gotten home at the beginning of second part of Endgame and had most of the episode to actually show what happened with the characters. You never even got to see Voyager dock! And Christie Golden's book... just didn't have the characters act true to themselves. The story didn't work that well either, I thought it was poorly paced. __________________ - Lipton, that one guy with the screen name of a tea company. "I canna change the laws a physics!" - Scotty

April 11 2012, 01:18 AM	#1175
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Some of the books in the series were excellent Lipton. The book by KRAD for instance. I read them all in order because Treklit forum (don't go in there, it is dangerous) told me to but it really wasn't necessary. After that I started only reading books by authors I liked. I had to abandon that eventually as all of Treklit morphed into one huge blob with every series in every book. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

April 11 2012, 04:36 AM	#1177
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! I think it was Articles of the Federation. I've liked most KRAD books though James Swallow's Day of the Vipers, first book in the Terok Nor trilogy was the best Treklit I've read. The morphing into a blob element is bad if you have series or characters you really aren't interested in. I ended up skim reading a lot of Destiny because of this. And yes they have now killed billions of people in the latest mega-war. I so much prefer the smaller stories, the political stories, the stories of the background of one character. Why does the frakking universe always have to be in peril? My Treklit reading took a major punch in the gut after I read a Babylon 5 trilogy which was just about the best thing I've ever read. Ever. And it made most of Treklit look very dull and choppy and made me sad that some of the stuff published is such crap. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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April 11 2012, 05:27 AM	#1178
Violet.Phoenix Commander Location: A distant corner of the Zeta Quadrant...	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! I have that book sitting on my shelf to read. My favourite KRAD book has to be Q&A; I loved that book. Two of my favourites that I always go back to are TNG #41 The Soldiers of Fear by Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Resistance by J.M. Dillard, both are thrilling books. But I absolutely love the VOY novels Mosaic and Full Circle, without doubt. The universe always seems to be in frakking peril nowadays. I don't mind the occasional conflict (because there has to be some here and there, something that I have trouble accepting being the mild pacifist that I am) but having war after war is ridiculous. I LOVE B5, such a great series. I really ought to check out the books. Some of the Treklit books have left me rather disappointed (like a certain TNG book that I'm sure others have a particular disdain for; I seriously cannot believe that they allowed that to be published). __________________ "It's never easy, but if we turn our backs on our principles we stop being human." - Kathryn Janeway, "Equinox Part 1".

April 11 2012, 05:31 AM	#1179
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! The Bab5 books are hard to find as some are out of print. I think I paid 30 dollars for one of the paperbacks. The trilogy I loved so much was the Techno-Mage trilogy. I also read the Psi-Corp trilogy which while written a bit more minimalist was fantastic. Shows you several generations of Psi-Corp, the origins and Bester's life story. Both of these trilogies blow Treklit out of the water IMHO. I still have the Centauri trilogy to read, I'm getting to it, I'm working my way up to picking up Peter David again. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

April 11 2012, 05:56 AM	#1180
Violet.Phoenix Commander Location: A distant corner of the Zeta Quadrant...	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! It's unfortunate that so many of these books are harder to find now (even ones from only 4 or 5 years ago are hard to find!). I've been trying to find a few of the Voyager ones for years. I love the Psi Corps, and Bester was a fantastic character. I really liked Peter David's early works, like Imzadi and Q-in-Law, but Before Dishonor ruined his image a bit for me. Although he can write Q extremely well, I will say that. __________________ "It's never easy, but if we turn our backs on our principles we stop being human." - Kathryn Janeway, "Equinox Part 1".

April 23 2012, 01:34 AM	#1181
Shatnertage Rear Admiral Location: Boldly going everywhere.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Are exodus and HoneyBLily still around? They were big contributors to my watch thread, and now that I'm back for Qutluch's thread, I notice they don't seem to be around. __________________ I don't say 'sabotage.' You say 'sabotage.' I say 'sabataage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTRxt-dIw

April 23 2012, 07:14 AM	#1182
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Exodus is around but I think Honey is a Potterhead now __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

April 23 2012, 05:20 PM	#1183
Shatnertage Rear Admiral Location: Boldly going everywhere.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Didn't know the fandoms were mutually exclusive. __________________ I don't say 'sabotage.' You say 'sabotage.' I say 'sabataage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTRxt-dIw

April 24 2012, 05:59 AM	#1184
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! They're not, but you know fandom takes up a lot of time.. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

April 27 2012, 09:15 AM	#1185
RCole Ensign Location: Northeast suburbs of Atlanta GA	Re: Welcome new Voyager fans! Seems to have diverged from the welcome thread but no matter (I enjoy thread creep and can be a practitioner!) It's nice there's a forum for people who actually like Voyager. I saw it referred to in another thread in sentence saying "for those who can stomach that other show." I don't understand the negative opinions it seems to generate. It is, overall, pretty darned good. Ok, DS9 is far and away my favorite Trek series but I like them all including Voyager. Anyway, new here, long time Trek fan going back to the early 70s when I'd watch TOS on re-runs after school. Just attended my first Trek convention along with my wife, who's also a big Trek fan.