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Old April 10 2012, 01:43 PM   #61
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Re: Play matchmaker for Janeway

I'm 7 won't mind if Janeway needs a step stool.
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Old April 10 2012, 01:46 PM   #62
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I'm 7 won't mind if Janeway needs a step stool.
You're Seven?

Sometimes a typo is just a typo?
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Old April 10 2012, 02:05 PM   #63
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I think she meant I'm sure 7 won't mind if Janeway needs a step stool.

Anyway, I think initially Janeway was supposed to marry Chakotay but then some weird writing got its foot in the door and made Chakotay and Seven a couple?

How bizarre is that? Chakotay had absolutely no chemistry with Seven... the only person he barely had any chemistry with was Janeway. What they did made no sense and frankly, someday I'm going to write a fan fic where it is discovered that Chakotay was under the influence of food improperly replicated and accidentally merged with behavior altering drugs from the Doctor's bioexperiments... or something.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:12 PM   #64
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Yes I meant I'm sure but I sadly had to leave the keyboard before I reread it and edited and made it all perfect.

Mulgrew said they were going to hook Janeway up with Chakotay and she put her foot down and said NO, first woman captain needs to be getting on with the captaining and not messing around with romance. She was mad they were going in that direction.

As to 7 and Chakotay I think he was the perfect tester dummy lover for her. He's kind, he won't push her boundaries or do anything outside of his passive nature, he's an entrance level relationship. One step up from the hologram version. Of course she won't stay with him, but she made a safe choice and he made his usual choice--a complicated woman who calls the shots.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:12 PM   #65
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We saw how Seven picks men in Someone to Watch Over Me.

She sellects the best man, not the best man for her.

But you don't think they kept close to stay warm while camping in Natural Law?
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Old April 10 2012, 02:15 PM   #66
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Yes I think that's very likely. I'm sure the relationship had some genesis off screen.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:16 PM   #67
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Nanoprobes make cold irrelevant.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:18 PM   #68
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I seem to recall her shivering on more than one occasion. I think they only make cold irrelevant if you're hooked up to the collective.

Anyway "I'm cold" is an classic way of getting someone to sit closer.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:22 PM   #69
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The shivering was from having Chakotay around instead of Janeway.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:25 PM   #70
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teacake: Yes, but in "Endgame" it was revealed that Seven was married to Chakotay for three years until she died. So she wasn't just trying out love on him.

Guy Gardener: Perhaps the "Natural Law" episode had something to do with it but I don't think it would have happened so late in the series. By that time, she would have thought of Chakotay as a coworker and their relationship would have already been defined. It's very unlikely she would consider him relationship material.

Who knows why she picked him for her simulation in "Human Error" because in "Someone to Watch Over Me", he wasn't on the list. (I guess at that time the Janeway/Chakotay relationship was still on the writer's table. )
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Old April 10 2012, 02:26 PM   #71
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teacake: Yes, but in "Endgame" it was revealed that Seven was married to Chakotay for three years until she died. So she wasn't just trying out love on him.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:33 PM   #72
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teacake: LOL! Perhaps so... In my opinion, the take away from this whole Chakotay/Seven thing is that they wanted a romance at the end of the series and Mulgrew wouldn't go for it. But I think they could have come up with something more plausible. Say, Harry Kim finally ends up dating the Delaney sister that he should have been dating all along? I mean really.

Chakotay/Seven aside, it's quite possible that Janeway would have married Chakotay when Voyager got home... her not commanding the ship and all.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:37 PM   #73
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Admiral Janeway sabotaged that union by first telling them both that they are fates bitches, and second just because they had made the best choice from limited options, the admiral seriously expanded the happy couples human dating pool by trillions, which means that the choices they made were bullshit.

Everything Admiral Janeway said to her child version of herself, had to have been a lie to make sure that when Captain Janeway rebelled against her (She's a Scorpion, it's in her nature. Oh, you thought the Borg were the Scorpion? Then why was Seven so helpful in Shattered?) to force the opposite of what she said that she wanted, until what really came to pass was exactly what the senior Katherine had in mind all along.

Was Seven having sex with the Hologram Chokotay?

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That's a pretty serious fricking clue she wanted his babies.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:42 PM   #74
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I realize I am the only person in the history of fandom who was perfectly happy with 7 and Chak hooking up. It's kind of odd too as 7 is my favorite Trek character ever and I pretty much have no opinion of Chakotay because I find him so passive and dull. However I do firmly believe he would be good for 7, as I said a kind man who would endeavor to make things easy for her and not be demanding at all. He's not going to try and get her to change other than some genial encouragement from time to time. Most men couldn't handle 7's personality, their manhood would be threatened by her autocrat manner and lack of need for them. Chakotay has no manhood to speak of which is why he was such a pawn of Seska's. He won't be threatened by 7 and, in her favor, she won't at any point manipulate him. She's not the warm woman he needs but she's also not an abuser or liar. I think it's a very good place to be for both of them, as a kind of resting place relationship. It's not a relationship that could be built on but 7 at least is not at the building point as far as relationships go.
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Everything Admiral Janeway said to her child version of herself, had to have been a lie to make sure that when Captain Janeway rebelled against her (She's a Scorpion, it's in her nature. Oh, you thought the Borg were the Scorpion? Then why was Seven so helpful in Shattered?) to force the opposite of what she said that she wanted, until what really came to pass was exactly what the senior Katherine had in mind all along.
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