Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! - Page 2

Gov Kodos · April 10 2012, 11:48 AM

King Daniel Into Darkness · April 10 2012, 01:01 PM

Yes, Kirk was a womanizer. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

Also: teacake and Gov Kodos win the thread

Gov Kodos wrote:

And that's kissing the Kirk Way

Kirk's car?!?

Miss Lemon · April 10 2012, 01:46 PM

Panda<3 wrote:

If you don't agree suport yourself with more than "Because"

No, why don't you support your claim? I'd like to see some numbers:
1. How many women did Kirk kiss?
2. How many women did Kirk kiss while not having an non-sexual ulterior motive?
3. How many women did Kirk actually sleep with?

22 Stars · April 10 2012, 02:39 PM

Miss Lemon wrote:

Panda<3 wrote:

If you don't agree suport yourself with more than "Because"

No, why don't you support your claim? I'd like to see some numbers:
1. How many women did Kirk kiss?
2. How many women did Kirk kiss while not having an non-sexual ulterior motive?
3. How many women did Kirk actually sleep with?

C.E. Evans in this thread http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=163162&page=7 starting on Post #95 has some numbers for you!

Admiral Buzzkill · April 10 2012, 02:48 PM

Of course Kirk was a womanizer. The revisionist attempts by some fans over the decades to insist that he was otherwise reflect defensiveness and embarrassment at some aspects of TOS's, uh, general exuberance.

ssosmcin · April 10 2012, 02:53 PM

A womanizer? Like he digs women a lot, checks them out, flirts, has lots of girlfriends, never at a loss to find some companionship? A ladies man? Well, shit, of course. That's part of the Kirk legend. I bristle when he's characterized as almost a male whore, an uncontrolable horndog. He doesn't get laid by a dozen green women every week, but he is absolutely a guy who loves the ladies. He's a 1960's TV leading man, the hero of the series and a bachelor. He also exploits his looks and charm to get missions accomplished and his crew out of danger when women are involved.

Nothing wrong with this, he's James Fricking Kirk.

Miss Lemon · April 10 2012, 02:59 PM

22 Stars wrote:

Miss Lemon wrote:

Panda<3 wrote:

If you don't agree suport yourself with more than "Because"

No, why don't you support your claim? I'd like to see some numbers:
1. How many women did Kirk kiss?
2. How many women did Kirk kiss while not having an non-sexual ulterior motive?
3. How many women did Kirk actually sleep with?

C.E. Evans in this thread http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=163162&page=7 starting on Post #95 has some numbers for you!

Thanks, but I know the actual numbers. That's why I asked these questions in the first place. So much for my Socratic questioning.

Doug Otte · April 10 2012, 03:03 PM

22 Stars wrote:

Miss Lemon wrote:

Panda<3 wrote:

If you don't agree suport yourself with more than "Because"

No, why don't you support your claim? I'd like to see some numbers:
1. How many women did Kirk kiss?
2. How many women did Kirk kiss while not having an non-sexual ulterior motive?
3. How many women did Kirk actually sleep with?

C.E. Evans in this thread http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=163162&page=7 starting on Post #95 has some numbers for you!

Agreed, and thanks for linking to the previous thread.

This is all subjective. Here's Merriam-Webster's definition of the term:
"intransitive verb
: to pursue casual sexual relationships with multiple women

— wom·an·iz·er noun"

By that definition, and based upon the onscreen (or even implied) evidence, I disagree w/ the OP. Very few of Kirk's relationships were sexual, and those that were, were not "casual."

Doug

BillJ · April 10 2012, 03:16 PM

Another person who hasn't watched Star Trek.

Admiral Buzzkill · April 10 2012, 03:17 PM

ssosmcin wrote:

A womanizer? Like he digs women a lot, checks them out, flirts, has lots of girlfriends, never at a loss to find some companionship? A ladies man? Well, shit, of course. That's part of the Kirk legend.

Yep, pretty much.

People try to dodge this with counting games. Some Trek fans choose to be preposterously literal-minded, ignoring story context, subtext, implication - all of which, of course, makes it kind of difficult to really appreciate storytelling at all or bring much to a discussion of fiction at all. When they see later writers or filmmakers use elements of TOS that they don't like, they're then appalled and insist that those elements were never there at all.

wissaboo · April 10 2012, 03:20 PM

It was usually the woman who persued Kirk.

22 Stars · April 10 2012, 03:21 PM

Kissing is a sexual act in my opinion, and he sure did a lot of kissing, I have to disagree with those who say 'he isn't', I say DUH, of course he is!

RandyS · April 10 2012, 03:29 PM

Of course he was a womanizer.

The REAL question is why do you ask that like it's a bad thing?

Miss Lemon · April 10 2012, 03:37 PM

22 Stars wrote:

Kissing is a sexual act in my opinion, and he sure did a lot of kissing, I have to disagree with those who say 'he isn't', I say DUH, of course he is!

But that's just it, most of the time it wasn't a sexual act for him. His lips were his secret weapon.

AtoZ · April 10 2012, 04:39 PM

He's a womanizer all of the way - and I love it. In fact, I always admired him for this trait.

April 10 2012, 11:48 AM	#16
Gov Kodos Vice Admiral Location: Gov Kodos Regretably far from Boston	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! __________________ “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

April 10 2012, 02:48 PM	#20
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! Of course Kirk was a womanizer. The revisionist attempts by some fans over the decades to insist that he was otherwise reflect defensiveness and embarrassment at some aspects of TOS's, uh, general exuberance. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

April 10 2012, 02:53 PM	#21
ssosmcin Commodore Location: New Yawk	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! A womanizer? Like he digs women a lot, checks them out, flirts, has lots of girlfriends, never at a loss to find some companionship? A ladies man? Well, shit, of course. That's part of the Kirk legend. I bristle when he's characterized as almost a male whore, an uncontrolable horndog. He doesn't get laid by a dozen green women every week, but he is absolutely a guy who loves the ladies. He's a 1960's TV leading man, the hero of the series and a bachelor. He also exploits his looks and charm to get missions accomplished and his crew out of danger when women are involved. Nothing wrong with this, he's James Fricking Kirk. __________________ "Tranya is people!"

April 10 2012, 03:16 PM	#24
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: In the 23rd Century...	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! Another person who hasn't watched Star Trek. __________________ "You know. 1966? Seventy-nine episodes, about thirty good ones." - Phillip Fry describing Star Trek, Futurama

April 10 2012, 03:20 PM	#26
wissaboo Captain Location: canada	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! It was usually the woman who persued Kirk.

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April 10 2012, 03:21 PM	#27
22 Stars Commodore	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! Kissing is a sexual act in my opinion, and he sure did a lot of kissing, I have to disagree with those who say 'he isn't', I say DUH, of course he is!

April 10 2012, 03:29 PM	#28
RandyS Vice Admiral Location: Randyland	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! Of course he was a womanizer. The REAL question is why do you ask that like it's a bad thing?

April 10 2012, 04:39 PM	#30
AtoZ Lieutenant Commander	Re: Who agrees? Kirk's a womanizer! He's a womanizer all of the way - and I love it. In fact, I always admired him for this trait.