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Old April 10 2012, 02:28 AM   #16
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

IMO, there probably would be a need for more Galaxy-class ships after the Dominion War if Starfleet returned to its deep-space exploration programs.

Then again, we saw Galaxy-class ships in action during the Dominion War...
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Old April 10 2012, 03:26 AM   #17
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

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IMO, there probably would be a need for more Galaxy-class ships after the Dominion War if Starfleet returned to its deep-space exploration programs.

Then again, we saw Galaxy-class ships in action during the Dominion War...
"saw in action" is a vast understatement.

They basically fought in every major fleet engagement that appeared onscreen.

In "Sacrifice of Angels" they basically blasted a gap through the Cardassian Galor class destroyers.
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Old April 10 2012, 03:29 AM   #18
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

I think the Nebula class will prove to be longer-lived and utilized more by Starfleet than the Galaxy class. I kind of feel like with the advent of the Sovereign class and a change in design philosophy in the post-TNG era, the Galaxy class will end up falling behind and only a few will survive long into the 25th century.
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Old April 10 2012, 04:29 AM   #19
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I think the Nebula class will prove to be longer-lived and utilized more by Starfleet than the Galaxy class. I kind of feel like with the advent of the Sovereign class and a change in design philosophy in the post-TNG era, the Galaxy class will end up falling behind and only a few will survive long into the 25th century.
The Nebula class ships are about 80% commonality with the Galaxy class.

Why would the Nebulas then outlast the Galaxy's when they are mostly the same ships configured differently?
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Old April 10 2012, 07:37 AM   #20
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

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I think the Nebula class will prove to be longer-lived and utilized more by Starfleet than the Galaxy class. I kind of feel like with the advent of the Sovereign class and a change in design philosophy in the post-TNG era, the Galaxy class will end up falling behind and only a few will survive long into the 25th century.
The Nebula class ships are about 80% commonality with the Galaxy class.

Why would the Nebulas then outlast the Galaxy's when they are mostly the same ships configured differently?
In the real world you see that just because a device might have superior performance over another very similar design that it doesn't mean it will always enjoy extra longevity. If the Nebula proved to offer an acceptable level of capability and in a fashion that was more efficient or economical than the Galaxy it creates the possibility that it could usurp it. Not stating it will, but it is possible.
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Old April 10 2012, 07:39 AM   #21
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...For the same reason Miranda outlasted Constitution?

Three ways to apply pseudo-logic here:

1) The Nebula is the no-frills version, thus built in greater numbers, thus more likely to survive in decisive strength till such a point where Starfleet has to decide whether to produce another big batch or not.

2) The Nebula is the development of the Galaxy original, thus marginally newer, thus more likely to survive till such a point yadda yadda (although we have seen lower Nebula registries than Galaxy ones, actually suggesting the Galaxy is the bells-and-whistles spinoff of the Nebula original).

3) The Nebula, being the no-frills ship, has to embark modular gear in order to perform missions the Galaxy is already pre-equipped for - which makes it easier to keep the equipment up to date, with modular swaps, and thus allows the Nebula to serve on when the Galaxy gets outdated by virtue of her aging onboard equipment.

Of course, it's equally easy to invent opposite arguments if we want to prove the Nebula will disappear first - which might be a good idea because we have seen "future" Galaxies but no "future Nebulas in flashforward episodes.

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Old April 10 2012, 07:54 AM   #22
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During the Dominion War, especially during the battle to retake DS9 Sisko referred to Galaxy class wings...I actually found this odd that you would possibly group Galaxy class ships together and not form battle groups of ships each with a Galaxy class cruiser (its what I tried to do with ST Armarda, worked to a point as much as the game allowed).

From the background books it was suggested that Galaxy class spaceframes were constructed quickly during the war with a large amount of their internal space empty for extra power plants and weapons. After the war I imagine any serviceable ships returned to the construction yard for completion and sent out for deep space missions.

New build ships I would favour the newer and smaller designs to rebuild fleet numbers but I cant see the Galaxy class being phased out unless the Sovereign or something else made it truely obsolete and there would probably be limited production of an upgraded version well into the 25c.
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Old April 10 2012, 08:12 AM   #23
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Galaxy class wings
Actually, that was just "galaxy wings".

Might mean formations of Galaxy class ships. Might mean formations led by a single Galaxy class ship. Might mean formations that do not feature any Galaxy class ships but are dedicated to escorting and protecting those capital ships. Might mean formations codenamed "galaxy" as opposed to those codenamed "freehold" or "donovan". Might mean fighter wings launched from Galaxy class ships, as opposed to fighter wings launched from other types of carrier ship and possibly featuring different equipment.

FWIW, we did see up to four Galaxy class vessels rush through the same gap in the Dominion formation (a gap probably of their own making) in the famous scene where one of the ships applies two simultaneous beams from her saucer phaser array on a Galor. Perhaps Starfleet decided that concentrating the most powerful battlewagons in a single formation would give decisive results?

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Old April 10 2012, 05:50 PM   #24
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It's just the Trek franchise in the late 90's went OTT with space battles and borg encounters to impress the 14 year olds of the time - so you'd find smaller older ships (like the Excelsior and Miranda classes) getting more TV screen time so they can cheaply get blown up as part of the dramatic effect of space bourne war.

I'm sure in the trek universe, Galaxy classes would be kept in service for what Starfleet like to do best and that is to explore and to expand their foothold. The Galaxy class is probably still the best sort of ship for long range exploration.
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Old April 10 2012, 07:14 PM   #25
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

Thinking about this thread on the drive home today, I recalled Picard's line about the Borg kicking the Federation in their complacency (Q Who).

Why would they be complacent at that point? Well, they have made peace with the Klingons, the Roms have retreated behind the NZ, and Federation policy has lead to a century's worth of relatively peaceful coexistence with the local powers. Some border skirmishes but mostly expansion through reason and relationships.

So they would build a mobile starbase like the Galaxy-class, and take their families along, because they anticipate more of the same. (The Galaxy class certainly represents a design paradigm that says, "The Final Frontier? Phtt! We know how to do that. And safely,too!")

Then the Roms pop back up with their Warbird superships (this is when the Sovereign is first conceived IMO, to answer the Warbirds) and the Borg threat appears; and it's clear that more fight and less frills is what is needed. And the Dom War ensures that the AQuad is a messy place for a while with no real exploring occurring until it is sorted.

So yes I think the Galaxies get retired and when exploration became a priority again, it would be with a new class of ship.
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Old April 10 2012, 07:47 PM   #26
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Re: Did Starfleet discontinue building Galaxy-class?

In hindsight, was there really any onscreen claims of the Galaxy-class being a dedicated exploration vessel? Sure, we have TNG's opening title dialog of "to explore strange new worlds, etc., etc.," but that could be simply for the Enterprise. But if that's not the same mission for other Galaxy-class ships, then the design could be just a really big capital ship that has a role to play both in peacetime and wartime.
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Old April 10 2012, 09:23 PM   #27
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It's hard to compare Galaxy Class life compared to Excelsior and Miranda Class which are nearing 100 years active design life. Compared to the Galaxy which is less than 30 years.

Even though it's debris in the debris field at Wolf 359 there is evidence to support that possible there are still a few Constitution Class vessels in service.

It seems as if many designs from around the mid-late 23rd Century servive well into the the 24th Century. Oberth, Excelsior, Miranda etc..

Does this mean that the 24th Century Classes aren't as good no of course not, I would say it's the fact that Starfleet began to design new classes of ships to counter new threats and as a reaction to the the changing galactic political landscape. As it would appear that the era of the mid-late 23rd century was more stable than the mid-late 24th century.
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Old April 10 2012, 11:16 PM   #28
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But SF also decided to upgrade some (if not all) of it's older class ships just before the Dominion War ensued.
The biggest example of this being the Lakota - my theory on it would be that SF needed to bring it's fleet into fighting shape, and since it takes a lot less resources to upgrade older ships than it does to build new ones (I mean, come on, transporters and replicators being used to replace old internal systems/designs with new ones by recycling the old as well as being used in construction of new ships too).

I would surmise that Q in 'Q Who' mentioned complacency because he saw potential in the Federation, but they DID get a bit relaxed after majority of the past 80 years probably being spend in relative peace.
They did get a kick in the rear after that Borg cube defeated the Enterprise so... completely - but to their credit, the Borg were far more advanced by comparison.
Hm... it's possible he wanted to see how well will SF adapt to the Borg threat even if they were a lot more technologically advanced.

The Dominion on the other hand was more or less on par technologically with the Federation.
I find it idiotic that Ds9 writers felt the need to dumb a lot of aspects of Trek, it's technology and everything else to portray the Dominion War.
To my understanding, given the size of the Federation, it probably should have been able to go 1 on 1 against the Dominion - but as it turned out, it was apparently felt that both the Klingons and Romulans were needed (both EMPIRES) to team up with the Feds and take on the Dominion along with the Cardassians (initially - and later on, the Breen who were a relatively minor power).

A lot of things went out of whack really.
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Old April 10 2012, 11:23 PM   #29
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To my understanding, given the size of the Federation, it probably should have been able to go 1 on 1 against the Dominion - but as it turned out, it was apparently felt that both the Klingons and Romulans were needed (both EMPIRES) to team up with the Feds and take on the Dominion along with the Cardassians (initially - and later on, the Breen who were a relatively minor power).

A lot of things went out of whack really.
Well, according to Rick Berman, if the producers had planned on having the Dominion War in Deep Space Nine, then they never would've had the Klingons and Federation break up (for a season or so).

Thus, if they had planned a Dominion War it would've been against a Federation closely allied with the Romulans all along.

and though the Breen were never featured prior to the end of the Dominion War, they did make a couple of appearances earlier in Deep Space Nine and were first mentioned in ST:TNG as having cloaking technology (in the episode where the little boy is the sole survivor of a starship disaster and starts to mimick Data).
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Old April 11 2012, 10:14 AM   #30
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The Dominion on the other hand was more or less on par technologically with the Federation.
I find it idiotic that Ds9 writers felt the need to dumb a lot of aspects of Trek, it's technology and everything else to portray the Dominion War.
To my understanding, given the size of the Federation, it probably should have been able to go 1 on 1 against the Dominion - but as it turned out, it was apparently felt that both the Klingons and Romulans were needed (both EMPIRES) to team up with the Feds and take on the Dominion along with the Cardassians (initially - and later on, the Breen who were a relatively minor power).

A lot of things went out of whack really.
1 to 1 doesn't give you a military advantage. You want to out gun your oppenant.
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