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View Poll Results: Rate To Brave the Storm.
Outstanding 8 11.11%
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Old January 4 2012, 02:33 AM   #151
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Well, canon already established the war as having lasted from 2156-2160, so they didn't really have much a choice when it came to how long the war lasted.
No, it didn't. The Star Trek Chronology listed those as conjectural dates for the Earth-Romulan War, but there's absolutely nothing in canon that specifies those dates, unless you count the illegible screen graphic text Mike Sussman wrote for "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II." And we know that's actually not binding on the novels, since the novels have the war beginning in 2155, not '56.
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Old January 4 2012, 06:28 AM   #152
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Oh, I just went by the dates on MA. I didn't realize that was where they came from.
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Old January 4 2012, 07:50 AM   #153
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But canon does specify that it was the Earth-Romulan War, not the Federation-Romulan War, and that the UFP was founded in 2161. So The Romulan War was obliged to take place between 2155 and 2161.
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Old January 4 2012, 03:49 PM   #154
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Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

^ Must be a lot of fanon that got it wrong, though, and assumed that it was a Federation-Romulan War. The TOS Tech Manual does this (they give the text of the peace treaty, which clearly mentioned the Federation).
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Old January 4 2012, 06:05 PM   #155
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Oh, I just went by the dates on MA. I didn't realize that was where they came from.
IIRC, their "canon" sources are an illegable (or possibly unused) screengraphic from "In a Mirror, Darky" and a newspaper clipping from Picard's family album in Generations (also not visible on screen)

FWIW, the arborted Romulan war movie "Star Trek: The Beginning" had the Earth/Romulan war begin with a week long battle in Earth orbit, in August 2159.
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Old March 28 2012, 02:50 AM   #156
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Finally got to read it, rated it Above Average.

Just from skimming over the comments here, I see that almost everyone's complaint is the same... we want more! I feel like any chapter in this book could be expanded on in a full novel by itself. Maybe some of them will be some day.

That didn't really bother me per se, since I knew going into it that this was a book that was going to cover what two more trade paperbacks had originally intended to cover. It was wonderful seeing so many points come together. And I was surprised that this book went all the way up to the founding of the Federation; it's a much more satisfying ending than the TV series got.
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Old April 10 2012, 07:20 AM   #157
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^ Must be a lot of fanon that got it wrong, though, and assumed that it was a Federation-Romulan War. The TOS Tech Manual does this (they give the text of the peace treaty, which clearly mentioned the Federation).
Well the Star Trek Chronology seemed to state that it was Federation Vs Romulans and Starfleet was established after that... 'Enterprise' switched that around and Starfleet came first.

As for the Book. Well the First Romulan War Novel takes place over a year. Even if this was a trilogy it's still a bit of a squeeze. I got the impression that maybe, just maybe that if these books were successful we'd get a book for each year of the war. But frankly why not try to plan it out better from the beginning? I remember when it was first announced it was either going to be a single book on the war, two books or possible 3. Having the first book explore only the first year of the war would naturally put pressure on any sequel novel that needed to tell the story. Where as I thought Book 1 was too spread out Book 2 is too condensed. There are a lot of things I like about it and it covers the bases but it just doesn't come across as a big War storyline. It feels like a small scale War. The looming threat of the Romulans isn't felt so much.
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Old April 10 2012, 02:31 PM   #158
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Well the Star Trek Chronology seemed to state that it was Federation Vs Romulans and Starfleet was established after that...
No, the Chronology makes a point of putting the war before the founding of the Federation in 2161. From its annotations for the 2156 entry on the start of the war:
The conflict was described as being between Earth and the Romulans, suggesting that the United Federation of Planets did not exist at this point.

'Enterprise' switched that around and Starfleet came first.
Not really, because the organization seen in Enterprise is the United Earth Starfleet, and the organization seen in the later series is the Federation Starfleet. "Starfleet" is actually a pretty generic name for a fleet of starships (its usage in science fiction predates Star Trek by decades, though it was rare before ST), so just because the two use the same label doesn't mean they're the same institution, any more than the Royal Navy and the United States Navy are the same.


But frankly why not try to plan it out better from the beginning? I remember when it was first announced it was either going to be a single book on the war, two books or possible 3.
First off, most of the planning process behind the books is not made public, so you shouldn't mistake the public's lack of knowledge of the plan for the absence of a plan. Second, just having a plan in place doesn't guarantee that reality will conform to it. Plans frequently have to be changed in the face of new circumstances or contingencies, and that's apparently what happened here.
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Old May 18 2012, 03:09 AM   #159
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Just read recently. As many noted it felt rushed. One thing I don't recall.... how exactly was trip able to speak Vulcan and romulan and withstand more than a cursory exam? He was deep undercover not quick like kirk did or picard and data.
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Old May 19 2012, 10:07 PM   #160
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Because he had a mini translator.
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Old June 17 2012, 05:06 AM   #161
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I just finished the book a few minutes ago, and have to say that I thought it was great. It didn't feel quite as 'epic' in scope as BtRW - despite covering a much larger span of time and events- but that was fine.

I thought the pacing of the story was fine and gave us just enough focus on key happenings over the course of a five-year period to get across the scope of the war and to convey and emphasize the Enterprise crew's pivotal role in its events.

I liked what the book did with the main ENT characters, and especially got a kick out of Archer being referred to as Commodore Archer and his reaction to the rank designation.

The book's use of its wide-ranging cast of supporting characters was also excellent, and I especially liked seeing Shrank again in a more prominent capacity than in BtRW, as well ad his daughter Talla.

The book's epilogue was also great, especially the DNA reporter seeing through the deception at the end that Tucker tried to continue to perpetuate.

I really enjoyed the book (as well as its predecessor BtRW) and am giving it an Excellent rating. It was a very fitting and satisfactory conclusion to Star Trek Enterprise's story both canonically and apocryphally and is a very solid and enjoyable piece of Trek Lit.
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Old December 17 2012, 02:01 AM   #162
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Finally read this because CLB is doing Rise of the Federation. Yeah, I know everyone has said I don't need to read this book to read that book, I just wanted to get caught up.

There were two lines in this book I enjoyed. On page 142, after a snide remark to Hoshi and thinking about the V'tosh ka'tur, Vulcan's with out logic, T'Pol thinks to herself:

It occurred to her that even among the strictest Syrrannite orders on her homeworld, there might be no such thing as a V'tosh rik'ortal - A Vulcan with out sarcasm.
And the line at the end about peoples fates with Hoshi living on Tarsis IV which was going to be on "In a Mirror, Darkly Part II" but was cut.

Other then that I just didn't get into this book. You've got got a several years war going on that just seems to be glossed over. Was it 2 or 3 or even more times that we don't see a battle, just showing up afterwards. I'm not a big space battle guy and showing them all would get repetitive but the other end of the spectrum where we we join someone on the bridge saying "That didn't go well" after the battle repeatedly was repetitive in another way.

One thing that helped was speed reading any chapter that had Trip as a spy. I didn't mind it when that story line was brought up in Last Full Measure and The Good That Men Do but it started to fall apart for me in Raptor's Wing and here I just didn't believe it for a second.

The year or 18 month gap that that takes place for no apparent reason other than they needed to wait while Trip was stranded in space and needed to spend that long with out warp heading to a planet.

Was there a reason for Travis to leave Enterprise in the first place? The first time we see him he's talking to his reporter friend about going back.

I guess all most of my issues, except for the Trip as spy stuff, can be blamed on the fact that the series was supposed to be a trilogy and cut to a duo but the reason really doesn't matter to me. If publishing/business issues cause a problem for a book they need to fix the book, not use the issues for an excuse for a poor book.

Just as it turned out turning Voyager over to Kristen Beyer was what was needed to revive that series I'm assuming giving CLB a shot at Enterprise will help out here. As it is now, what I assumed would have been a epic story has turned into has turned into a big snore.

The only reason this didn't rate poor was the sarcasm line. That cracked me up. So this gets a below average.
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