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Old March 27 2012, 06:23 AM   #1
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Miranda class starship phasers

Can someone help me with something?
The rollbar of the Miranda class starship as seen in Star Trek II TWOK, did if have only fore and aft firing phasers or were also port and starboard firing phasers?

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Old March 27 2012, 09:46 AM   #2
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

The shooting model of the Reliant had the same turreted phasers on the saucer section that the Enterprise-refit had. That would be pairs located port/starboard/forward on both the top and bottom of the saucer.
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Old March 27 2012, 10:28 AM   #3
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To further clarify, this is what the roll bar phaser units looked like: (Cut and paste the link, perhaps with ? added to the end, to defeat hotlink-ban measures)

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sc.../brattain1.jpg

At the lower right corner, you can see that the roll bar corner cylinders each had two "standard" single phaser turrets, surrounded by yellow markers just like the twin turrets on the hull were. The beams emanated from these turrets. There were no beams coming from the front ends of the cylinders, or from the aft ends.

Apparently, the front and aft ends weren't weapons - for all we know, they may have been navigational deflectors, considering they are shaped vaguely like the forward end of the Enterprise secondary hull. At one point, a white light was also seen shining from the forward end.

Too bad that the TrekCore screencaps are very poor in this respect: they fail to show where the beams are really coming from. But by slo-mo checking of the actual movie, you can see how the beams come from the sides of the cylinders.

So, in total:

* three times two phasers on saucer top
* three times two phasers on saucer bottom
* two times one phaser on each rollbar corner
* just possibly two times one phaser below the impulse engine - these are only visible in a backstage photo of the model ventral side, and are removed (if they ever really were there) from all subsequent appearances of this model, as well as from all future Miranda models

So, sixteen (or just possibly eighteen) phasers, plus four torpedo tubes, built into the model. On par with the decidedly eighteen phasers and two tubes of Kirk's ship...

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Old April 6 2012, 03:00 AM   #4
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

Compared to the Miranda class starship how is the Soyuz class starship armed?
Are there any close up pictures of the Soyuz class model?
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Old April 6 2012, 04:14 PM   #5
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

Timo wrote: View Post
At the lower right corner, you can see that the roll bar corner cylinders each had two "standard" single phaser turrets, surrounded by yellow markers just like the twin turrets on the hull were. The beams emanated from these turrets. There were no beams coming from the front ends of the cylinders, or from the aft ends.
I beg to differ:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...3/twok0982.jpg

Also, those yellow squares have no ball turret detail in them, and I've always taken them to be some kind of warning panels related to the internal mechanism.
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Old April 6 2012, 04:35 PM   #6
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...7/twok0454.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...7/twok0459.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...7/twok0453.jpg
Take a look at these!
And yeah, I know they're not in proper order.
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Old April 6 2012, 10:18 PM   #7
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There's definately phaser beams coming from the front (feasibly the rear as well) of those assembies. And yes there definately aren't any ball turrets within those yellow warning rectangles, but if you look along the blue area running fore/aft, there's 2 large raised rectangles with nubs on them. In TWOK there seems to be phaser beams coming from those.
Yes, there seems to be beams coming from just below them as well here the yellow warning marks are as well. In my mind that can be explained by the attempt at making the beam firing FX look more animated and kinetic and not to be taken literally in this instance. Even now with precise CG, oversights like that happen (torps coming from observation domes in "Enterprise", phasers coming from torpedo tubes in TNG).

So, the front and rear of those assemblies could be megaphasers just from the shear size? The broadside ones could be just as powerful or maybe in between the power of the front/rear ones and the standard ball turrets. Just going by the size.
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Old April 6 2012, 11:52 PM   #8
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

You and I must be looking at two entirely different sets of pictures, I zoomed in on the pictures and it looks like the phaser beams originate on the side of the rollbar, not the front, although there will be phaser fire from the front of the rollbar later on.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...3/twok0982.jpg
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Old April 7 2012, 04:17 AM   #9
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I meant that in the movie they come from the front as well, not just the screencaps you gave. I guess I should have specified.
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Old April 7 2012, 04:40 AM   #10
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

I don't think Reliant ever fired aft phasers from the rollbar or any other position, neither did Enterprise.
The Reliant did fire aft torpedoes on two occasions, one was a hit, the second a miss.

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I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but will you magnify both images of phaser fire from reliants' rollbar by at least 300% and take a look?
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Old April 7 2012, 05:53 AM   #11
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James Wright wrote: View Post
I don't think Reliant ever fired aft phasers from the rollbar or any other position, neither did Enterprise.
The Reliant did fire aft torpedoes on two occasions, one was a hit, the second a miss.

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I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but will you magnify both images of phaser fire from reliants' rollbar by at least 300% and take a look?
No problem. I didn't think that you were.


I think we're on the same page. As you say, phaser fire from both the side of the rollbar as well as front, both as seen in the screencaps posted.
I really fubared up my sentences in my post.

I should have said, in the movie we see firing from the front. But as well, in the screencaps, they're from the sides. But in the model picture the only place they could be coming from is the larger rectangles, not the yellow markings.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Old April 7 2012, 12:45 PM   #12
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

I wish there were pictures of the Reliant model as it was built for ST II, when I look at those pictures I see phaser fire coming from the top edge from what appears to be a projection similar to what is on the front of the rollbar.(the heavier phaser)
The second phaser shot appears to originate below the location of the first shot,on the side from what appears to be just a regular turret.
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You'd better reverse the sequence that I put those phaser shots in, I goofed on that one!
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Old April 7 2012, 09:23 PM   #13
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

Here's a couple of pics I had in my files. Not sure when they were taken.



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Old April 8 2012, 01:24 AM   #14
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Re: Miranda class starship phasers

Thanks for posting those pictures, could those yellow places be for phaser turret emplacements when the model is complete?
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Old April 8 2012, 04:04 PM   #15
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Those were taken looooong after the show was over, and there was never anything there except the yellow rectangles.
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