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Old April 6 2012, 10:38 AM   #1
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How long would Odo stay in the Great Link?

So at the end of DS9, Odo returns to the Great Link to stay with his people and to teach them his knowledge about the solids. But I was wondering how quickly he could accomplish this. I mean when he linked he changed the female changeling's mind in less than half a minute. Seriously half a minute to change a lifetime's distrust (and possibly hatred?) of the solids? Either that virus made the female changeling more receptive to Odo's ideas or Odo is their next Messiah or something crazy like that.

Then he returns to the Great Link and in a matter of minutes the link is being rapidly cured, but then so would Odo's ideas being spread around. But it would probably takes months for Odo, perhaps even longer to really convince his people of his views and to make them more accepting of solids. Plus he has a Dominion to reform and change at the same time.

But what if his work was done? The question I've always asked myself (and it's probably being covered twenty times some more on this site and others) is whether Odo is permanently staying in the Great Link or is he staying until his task his done?

My hunch is that he would probably leave the link for a bit, if his work was done, check on Kira (how many months or years since they last met) and then? God knows...
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Old April 6 2012, 10:39 AM   #2
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Re: How long would Odo stay in the Great Link?

A few hours. Past that and you shrivel up like staying in a hot bath for too long.
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Old April 6 2012, 10:47 AM   #3
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A few hours. Past that and you shrivel up like staying in a hot bath for too long.
Good point Sandoval, but I think that applies to carbon based lifeforms and not silicon based ones...
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Old April 6 2012, 11:10 AM   #4
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Re: How long would Odo stay in the Great Link?

How did the female changeling put it? "The drop becomes the ocean"?

The way I see it, once Odo returned to the great link, he effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. So he can't leave, since he no longer exist.
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Old April 6 2012, 12:09 PM   #5
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How did the female changeling put it? "The drop becomes the ocean"?

The way I see it, once Odo returned to the great link, he effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. So he can't leave, since he no longer exist.
But don't forget that the female changeling also said 'the ocean becomes the drop'. The way I see it sentience is merged somehow, and yet it can be separated. Besides if the female changeling never had her own personality why does she refer to herself in the first person? Besides in the last episode of season 4 Odo spent a brief period of time in the great link, sure he came out of it humanoid (or mainly humanoid) but his personality did not change and it certainly was not lost.
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Old April 6 2012, 12:51 PM   #6
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Who said changelings were silicon based?

My point still stands.
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Old April 6 2012, 01:16 PM   #7
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Re: How long would Odo stay in the Great Link?

The link is so completing for a Changeling, it's addicting. On the station we saw how he would link with the Female Changeling for days, and not notice time passed, and he became hungry for more, and didn't care what was happening outside. Nah, Odo may bring a tolerance for solids to the Great LInk, but, he's with his people now, he won't be leaving, unless it's for a very short trip for some reason.
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Old April 6 2012, 02:25 PM   #8
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Who said changelings were silicon based?

My point still stands.
Water does not become waterlogged.
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Old April 6 2012, 03:36 PM   #9
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For all we know, Odo and the remainder of the SS were made of Turtle Wax and coated with Rain-X and Scotch Guard on the outside.
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Old April 6 2012, 05:06 PM   #10
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Wasn't this subject handled in Treklit?
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Old April 6 2012, 08:27 PM   #11
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Who said changelings were silicon based?

My point still stands.
In this episode it was said http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Alternate_(episode)
Dax or Mora Pol said, that the new found lifeform is silicon-based, like Odo.
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Old April 6 2012, 10:36 PM   #12
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Who said changelings were silicon based?

My point still stands.
Water does not become waterlogged.
A Changeling isn't water. It's a Changeling.
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Old April 7 2012, 05:39 AM   #13
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How did the female changeling put it? "The drop becomes the ocean"?

The way I see it, once Odo returned to the great link, he effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. So he can't leave, since he no longer exist.
Wow, interesting take and kind of depressing.
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Old April 7 2012, 04:35 PM   #14
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Who said changelings were silicon based?

My point still stands.
Water does not become waterlogged.
A Changeling isn't water. It's a Changeling.
He didn't say Changeling is water.
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Old April 7 2012, 05:35 PM   #15
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Re: How long would Odo stay in the Great Link?

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How did the female changeling put it? "The drop becomes the ocean"?

The way I see it, once Odo returned to the great link, he effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. So he can't leave, since he no longer exist.
She also said "The ocean becomes the drop." So it is interesting.

The entity "Odo" should be able to re-form itself and leave the Great Link and re-join the Great Link again as wanted/needed.

However, to agree with what EyalM posted, the actual molecules, memories, knowledge and emotions that made up the Odo that we knew have been absorbed by the Great Link. The Great Link can then reproduce them and produce an "Odo" but not exactly the same one that went into the link.

That's the way I interpret it. For all the good things DS9 did, they did not do a great job explaining how Changelings work.

Could they change themselves into literally anything? Odo was able to turn part of himself into a Bajoran communicator that appeared on his uniform. Could he turn himself into a spare mechanical part if need be? Such a mysterious species.
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