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Old April 6 2012, 06:39 PM   #631
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Her voice did no such thing.

IT lended itself to confidence, intelligence and a willingness to work with her 'team'.

I don't know what show you were watching, but it wasn't what I was watching.

Maybe you missed a few episodes too

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Wow really...Kes's voice was so sexy and alluring and distinctive.
Give me Janeway's "I'm smoking a packet of cigarettes right now before I vaporize your chest with this phaser rifle" voice any day for sexy.

I do think Kes is less sickly sweet than she appears initially. Her voice did her character a disservice.
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Old April 6 2012, 09:13 PM   #632
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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Makes comments about no welcome mat offering...sulks and
slips into warp drive and sneaks into the next sector of of space looking for friends...

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Miss Chicken has been here as long as I have. We have had some interesting debates during the years.

However, I haven't seen her post that much in the recent time so: Welcome back!
smarine, since you seem to be a Kes fan, you deserve a special welcome from Lynx.

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Old April 6 2012, 09:27 PM   #633
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

hi there Lynx and thx ,

I am a complete trek fan of all the series, though Voyager is my favorite. I love all character interactions, and given the plot progression of entire voyager series, I can't imagine the scripts being much better. I think they nailed all of it perfect.

I enjoyed Kes's character a great deal because she was very logical, yet emotional about her past, and looked forward to her future with the crew. It was sad to see her go,but heck if she wasn't entirely happy doing it, then thats that. I truly felt she gave it her best on the way out, and left the opening for 7 to make a grandiose entry.

I know about teamwork, and just as the other shows in the trek universe, I was sad to see this one go too, but in the end no matter how much they all prob. enjoyed it, it was time to move on.

I wonder how they would have felt about more Seasons if the network had picked it up again, and do we actually know if it was pure ratings alone that left us with 7 seasons, albeit amazing ones ? )

I also wish somebody would make a 'real' trek universe as relates to gaming. I get the whole fps craze lately, but gez it was always way more than that to me, and Im sure most others as well; to boldly go where no one has gone before..its not just about phaser fire afterall ,,I want to meet alien cultures, and go exploring their worlds with them in peace, not exploitation or war ),,,

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slips into warp drive and sneaks into the next sector of of space looking for friends...

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Miss Chicken has been here as long as I have. We have had some interesting debates during the years.

However, I haven't seen her post that much in the recent time so: Welcome back!
smarine, since you seem to be a Kes fan, you deserve a special welcome from Lynx.

Welcome to the forum!
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Old April 6 2012, 11:22 PM   #634
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

These things are called opinions. I've never liked that kind of voice even IRL, just like some never like Janeway's hoarser voice. When I hear a grown woman talking in a sweet sweet voice it makes me a. suspicious and b. irritated. I don't think Kes was being fake (unlike some people with this voice) but I do think it does her supposed strong character a huge disservice.

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Her voice did no such thing.

IT lended itself to confidence, intelligence and a willingness to work with her 'team'.

I don't know what show you were watching, but it wasn't what I was watching.

Maybe you missed a few episodes too

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Wow really...Kes's voice was so sexy and alluring and distinctive.
Give me Janeway's "I'm smoking a packet of cigarettes right now before I vaporize your chest with this phaser rifle" voice any day for sexy.

I do think Kes is less sickly sweet than she appears initially. Her voice did her character a disservice.
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Old April 7 2012, 02:14 AM   #635
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I didn't mind Jennifer Lien's voice that much in American History X but her voice in Voyager was unbearable to me. The only other actress I would put into the same league of voices I couldn't stand would by Amanda Burton from the British forensic show, Silent Witness, so much so that I won't look at the first 8 years of that show (when AB was thr star).

I watch every single episode of Voyager and Kes was the major character I disliked the most, not just on Voyager, but on the whole of Trek.

However I was Trekked Out years ago and now I only visit a couple of the Trek forums occasionally when I am bored. Too many other programmes have come along since Trek ended for it to hold my interest much any more.

If I am in the Voyager forum it is usually either in a thread on Kes leaving the show or that Tuvix episode as I have strong opinions on both topics.
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Old April 7 2012, 02:38 AM   #636
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What utter rubbish, come now MIss chicken.

Tell us how you really feel

I smell a ton of rotting jealousy coming off of you, and its not very appealing.

I've talked to many trek fans, and never has anyone said such strange things, but I guess it takes all kinds, and all kinds of opinions.

I may not have felt her acting was always spot on, but she did an amazing job for the most part, her voice did not annoy me on any level, and she was not sickening sweet. I think you missed a few episodes !


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I guess I am alone in not being able to stand her voice. I spent the first 3 seasons of VOY during my maiden watch of the series wanting to slap her.
Her voice was the main reason I couldn't stand her. It irritated me so much, it was 1000 times worse than Keiko's whine. I din't want to slap her, I wanted to throttle her. The other reason i didn't like the character was because she was so sickly sweet.
Talk about rubbish.

If Miss Chicken's reasons for disliking Kes is jealousy, then thousands of folks must be jealous of Fran Dresher or Rosie Perez. "Friends" cast Kathline Turner as a man due to her raspy throaty voice like Jen Lien's. That was the joke, that a voice such as that can sound sexy to some and manly to others.
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Old April 7 2012, 05:18 AM   #637
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I love all character interactions, and given the plot progression of entire voyager series, I can't imagine the scripts being much better. I think they nailed all of it perfect.
Mmmmm, wow. No show on TV is perfect, certainly not Voyager....enjoyable yes but there were tons of problems with this show. I get the impression you're easily pleased and imperssed.

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It was sad to see her go,but heck if she wasn't entirely happy doing it, then thats that.
She didn't leave of her own volition.
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Old April 7 2012, 09:15 AM   #638
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I wonder if Ira though about hiring her for DS9?

Just have her wondering the station introducing herself but never quite explaining her connection to Voyager.
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Old April 7 2012, 09:33 AM   #639
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Bashir would have definitely hit on her. And Kira would have wanted to hit her too but not in the same way.
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Old April 7 2012, 09:29 PM   #640
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Kes in DS9? Why not?

Instead of coming up with that silly story in "The Gift", they could have found a way to transport her to DS9 instead.

I don't think that Kes and Kira would have had a hostile relationship. In fact, they did cooperate in one of my stories!
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Old April 7 2012, 09:37 PM   #641
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hi there Lynx and thx ,

I am a complete trek fan of all the series, though Voyager is my favorite. I love all character interactions, and given the plot progression of entire voyager series, I can't imagine the scripts being much better. I think they nailed all of it perfect.

I enjoyed Kes's character a great deal because she was very logical, yet emotional about her past, and looked forward to her future with the crew. It was sad to see her go,but heck if she wasn't entirely happy doing it, then thats that. I truly felt she gave it her best on the way out, and left the opening for 7 to make a grandiose entry.

I know about teamwork, and just as the other shows in the trek universe, I was sad to see this one go too, but in the end no matter how much they all prob. enjoyed it, it was time to move on.

I wonder how they would have felt about more Seasons if the network had picked it up again, and do we actually know if it was pure ratings alone that left us with 7 seasons, albeit amazing ones ? )

I also wish somebody would make a 'real' trek universe as relates to gaming. I get the whole fps craze lately, but gez it was always way more than that to me, and Im sure most others as well; to boldly go where no one has gone before..its not just about phaser fire afterall ,,I want to meet alien cultures, and go exploring their worlds with them in peace, not exploitation or war ),,,

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I have to disagree with you on some of your comments. First of all, the actress Jennifer Lien didn't leave of her own free will and she was not happy about leaving either.

As for Voyager, I like the show, especially the characters but I also think that those in charge of the show did some really stupid things which ruined it for many fans.

As for the seasons, what I know 7 seasons were planned from the beginning, just as they did with TNG and DS9. I don't think that they had made more seasons for Voyager, no matter what. Actually, in the end it looked like they just wanted to get over with it as soon as possible to start working with their new pet project "Enterprise".

Asd for gaming, I agree with you. The best game as I see it is the old "Birth Of The Federation". The Voyager based "Elite Forece" is sort of OK (especially if you add the Kes skin) but could have been better with more of the original ciharacters from the series and more encounter with alien species.
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Old April 8 2012, 12:47 AM   #642
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

If she can push seven hundred thousand tons of metal ten light years through space... was that the limit of her ability to push 7 hundred thousand tons through space or the absolute limit of her pushing ability because logically she should have been able to move 700 tons 1000,000 light years which has to be less than what the crew weighs inside a few escape escape pods and maybe a shuttle?

So yeah, becuase she's clueless about astrogation, I'm not talking about a hole in one, but she can drive hard enough to get on the green with her first swing, and put her way to victory from there.
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Old April 8 2012, 01:14 AM   #643
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Would she have volunteered herself as a weapon in the Dominion War? There's not much difference in pressing buttons to blow up ships and in zooming through space personally to blow them up but I bet she would have had some faux ethical dilemma about it.
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Old April 8 2012, 01:31 AM   #644
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Well a fraction of the reason she was there would be to make sure that Kathryn had a home to return to.

Would she be powerful enough to open and close the wormhole crushing ships as they're migrating through, or control the flow?

Blowing up ships?

Kes should be able to blow up suns.

But then, any delivery system the enemy can't scan for or shield against would have the same effect.
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She needed to be harnessed so the Feds could sic her on stuff. Big stuff.
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