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Old April 6 2012, 05:32 AM   #616
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I had no idea about any of that, but then I've usually been rather too busy to 'dig' into the extra details, and just watch the show for it's incredible value. But knowing those things as outlined, might explain a few things for me.

I thoroughly enjoyed her chartacter, feel that if she had stayed , as you stated, that they could have explored her character traits amazingly well.

I'm normally never someone to critisize acting, but I felt some of Jen's acting in places was a tad either rushed, or simply again as stated, possibly not felt enough?

I didn't have all that many moments like that, but they were enough that I can see them wanting to replace her, but having said that, what she did while there I thought was enough to make Voyager better for it indeed.

I also think with the utmost certainty and emotion, that 7's addition to the show was a very smart move, for obvious reasons. Her acting was stunning and her entire character was so spot on, and the scripts absolutely genius.

I enjoyed all the series, but I think Voyager has managed to grab me even now, as I watch reruns fairly often, and lets face it everyone, the 'chemistry' between all the characters was amazing, no matter their salaries

New technologies afforded for the shows special effects etc., given its the last currently of the series notwithstanding, allowed everything to come together perfectly.

I hope the next one, if there is one will be just as good.

They were actors portraying characters, but still, given my love for space and wanting to ' go where no person has gone before' , when I watch this show its like hanging out with friends. I can't think of a better compliment

Thanks to all of them, and prior series as well for giving us all something to look forward to ,as our technology evolves, and we as a species grow into maturity.

Watching it as part of my dvd collection had me slightly missing the 'tv' show again and wishing I was on that ship with those amazing people exploring worlds together; so short of that, finding this list was as fulfilling as well.

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Right on both accounts, I believe. However, Sandoval still has a point. Jennifer wasn't in a top 50 of good looking folks, Garrett was. One might even argue if keeping an actor based on looks is in itself the opposite of being PC, despite Garrett being Asian, but I digress.
Sex appeal has always been a major factor in selling Trek to the public. Every show be they male or female has always had a sex symbol type character. Look on all the TV shows, how many ugly people are on TV? Even the old people are pretty.

As far as Kes, isn't there a recent interview with Jen Lien posted on this site that explains that her contact ran out and that she had talked to Berman about wanting leaving acting anyway? So it sounds like even if they killed off Harry Kim, Jen Lien didn't want to stay anyway. So they kept the guy that did.
Doesn't matter how much potential Kes the character had. If the actor isn't serious about the job anymore, then they aren't going to put their best into the role.
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Old April 6 2012, 07:06 AM   #617
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I finally get to quote the illustrious Wadsworth:
"Communism was just a red herring."


And I believe the wrong clip is used the previous page. Given the epic derail this thread has had, the clip of mutant Paris taking Janeway to warp 10 so they can have cold, clammy amphibian sex should be used.


This thread did devolve after all.


and this thread is about as healthy as this:


and this for good measure when looking at the thread:
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Old April 6 2012, 07:31 AM   #618
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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1. The Kes character was in fact extremely hard to write for because in her personal interactions with other characters, the other characters all loved her and were instantly swayed by her marvelous wisdom and angelic goodness. In Resolutions, for instance, she instantly persuades Tuvok to turn back for the Captain and Chakotay. Jennifer Lien is so cute and that voice is so gorgeous
I guess I am alone in not being able to stand her voice. I spent the first 3 seasons of VOY during my maiden watch of the series wanting to slap her.
Her voice was the main reason I couldn't stand her. It irritated me so much, it was 1000 times worse than Keiko's whine. I din't want to slap her, I wanted to throttle her. The other reason i didn't like the character was because she was so sickly sweet.
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Old April 6 2012, 07:44 AM   #619
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Wow really...Kes's voice was so sexy and alluring and distinctive.
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Old April 6 2012, 07:59 AM   #620
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

DeepSpaceWine wrote: View Post
I finally get to quote the illustrious Wadsworth:
"Communism was just a red herring."


And I believe the wrong clip is used the previous page. Given the epic derail this thread has had, the clip of mutant Paris taking Janeway to warp 10 so they can have cold, clammy amphibian sex should be used.


This thread did devolve after all.


and this thread is about as healthy as this:


and this for good measure when looking at the thread:
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Old April 6 2012, 08:02 AM   #621
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1. The Kes character was in fact extremely hard to write for because in her personal interactions with other characters, the other characters all loved her and were instantly swayed by her marvelous wisdom and angelic goodness. In Resolutions, for instance, she instantly persuades Tuvok to turn back for the Captain and Chakotay. Jennifer Lien is so cute and that voice is so gorgeous
I guess I am alone in not being able to stand her voice. I spent the first 3 seasons of VOY during my maiden watch of the series wanting to slap her.
Her voice was the main reason I couldn't stand her. It irritated me so much, it was 1000 times worse than Keiko's whine. I din't want to slap her, I wanted to throttle her. The other reason i didn't like the character was because she was so sickly sweet.
I love her voice!

As for "sickly sweet", I have to disagree. She's nice and friendly, yes. But also very strong, willed and determined. I always found her a great contrast and complement to Janeway and Torres. She can win arguments and get her way by simply moving around the obstacle and attack it from another alngle.
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Old April 6 2012, 08:12 AM   #622
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Wow really...Kes's voice was so sexy and alluring and distinctive.
Give me Janeway's "I'm smoking a packet of cigarettes right now before I vaporize your chest with this phaser rifle" voice any day for sexy.

I do think Kes is less sickly sweet than she appears initially. Her voice did her character a disservice.
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Old April 6 2012, 08:18 AM   #623
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

And I would like to take a moment to welcome Miss Chicken to this thread, I don't believe I have ever seen her at these lofty heights before. Usually she is a confirmed bottom dweller.

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Old April 6 2012, 08:22 AM   #624
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Miss Chicken has been here as long as I have. We have had some interesting debates during the years.

However, I haven't seen her post that much in the recent time so: Welcome back!
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Old April 6 2012, 08:25 AM   #625
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Oh she's here, she's just down below.

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Old April 6 2012, 10:45 AM   #626
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Wow really...Kes's voice was so sexy and alluring and distinctive.
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Old April 6 2012, 11:00 AM   #627
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Oh she's here, she's just down below.

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Old April 6 2012, 01:51 PM   #628
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^ I have no idea what that means. A dino crushing a beer can...
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Old April 6 2012, 06:30 PM   #629
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What utter rubbish, come now MIss chicken.

Tell us how you really feel

I smell a ton of rotting jealousy coming off of you, and its not very appealing.

I've talked to many trek fans, and never has anyone said such strange things, but I guess it takes all kinds, and all kinds of opinions.

I may not have felt her acting was always spot on, but she did an amazing job for the most part, her voice did not annoy me on any level, and she was not sickening sweet. I think you missed a few episodes !


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1. The Kes character was in fact extremely hard to write for because in her personal interactions with other characters, the other characters all loved her and were instantly swayed by her marvelous wisdom and angelic goodness. In Resolutions, for instance, she instantly persuades Tuvok to turn back for the Captain and Chakotay. Jennifer Lien is so cute and that voice is so gorgeous
I guess I am alone in not being able to stand her voice. I spent the first 3 seasons of VOY during my maiden watch of the series wanting to slap her.
Her voice was the main reason I couldn't stand her. It irritated me so much, it was 1000 times worse than Keiko's whine. I din't want to slap her, I wanted to throttle her. The other reason i didn't like the character was because she was so sickly sweet.
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Old April 6 2012, 06:35 PM   #630
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Makes comments about no welcome mat offering...sulks and
slips into warp drive and sneaks into the next sector of of space looking for friends...

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Miss Chicken has been here as long as I have. We have had some interesting debates during the years.

However, I haven't seen her post that much in the recent time so: Welcome back!
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