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Old April 2 2012, 12:34 AM   #16
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Re: NASA's budget: Help save space exploration!

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Politically there's no reason to send people to Mars as Congress can't see past the next election, much less past the next 5-10 Congressional elections it would take to get a human on Mars.

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Won't take that long. According to Dr. Robert Zubrin, we can get to Mars within 10 years.

That means launching the ERV within 8 years of the mission go ahead.
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Old April 2 2012, 01:22 AM   #17
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Zubrin? Is he still relevant?
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Old April 2 2012, 01:29 AM   #18
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Zubrin? Is he still relevant?
Considering that NASA adopted almost every major element of his Mars Direct plan for their own mission planning I would say so.
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Old April 2 2012, 01:35 AM   #19
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Which parts are those considering we currently don't have a plan for mars?
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Old April 2 2012, 12:39 PM   #20
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....If and when China starts seriously gearing up to leave Earth, then you'll see the US make a concerted effort to leave LEO again, but not until then.
Sadly, I agree. It seems that the best way to motivate a good chunk of the electorate in the U.S. to push for something is to get them fearful (even irrational fear) of someone or something.
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Old April 2 2012, 12:42 PM   #21
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....Because NASA is a symbol of science and technology.
This may, unfortunately, work against NASA. Science is hard, snobbish, rigid, mostly wrong, scary and against God, right?
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Old April 2 2012, 01:36 PM   #22
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Which parts are those considering we currently don't have a plan for mars?
See NASA Design Reference Mission. Virtually all of it is Zurbrin's "Mars Direct" (Semi-Direct) Mission Plan.

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/373665main_NASA-SP-2009-566.pdf
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Old April 3 2012, 12:13 AM   #23
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^Ah, a pdf from before constellation was cancelled. Just another powerpoint presentation. Get back to me when they start implementing something resembling Direct.
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Old April 3 2012, 01:07 AM   #24
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^Ah, a pdf from before constellation was cancelled. Just another powerpoint presentation. Get back to me when they start implementing something resembling Direct.
The bottom line is that whenever they are ordered to prepare a manned Mission to Mars the Design Reference Mission will be where they start from and it is Mars Direct derived.
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Old April 3 2012, 01:50 AM   #25
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Re: NASA's budget: Help save space exploration!

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^Ah, a pdf from before constellation was cancelled. Just another powerpoint presentation. Get back to me when they start implementing something resembling Direct.
The bottom line is that whenever they are ordered to prepare a manned Mission to Mars the Design Reference Mission will be where they start from and it is Mars Direct derived.
No. That's where they would have started from had the entire program not been scrapped.
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Old April 3 2012, 02:11 AM   #26
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^Ah, a pdf from before constellation was cancelled. Just another powerpoint presentation. Get back to me when they start implementing something resembling Direct.
The bottom line is that whenever they are ordered to prepare a manned Mission to Mars the Design Reference Mission will be where they start from and it is Mars Direct derived.
No. That's where they would have started from had the entire program not been scrapped.
The NASA Design Reference Mission Was around a decade BEFORE Constellation.
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And. It's. All. Been. Scrapped.
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Old April 3 2012, 03:05 AM   #28
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And. It's. All. Been. Scrapped.
Incorrect.
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Old April 3 2012, 03:39 AM   #29
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^Really? then show it to us on the current "open path".
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Old April 3 2012, 05:49 AM   #30
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^Really? then show it to us on the current "open path".
The current manned capsule that is being worked on was part of the Constellation program.
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