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Old April 1 2012, 12:25 PM   #46
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Re: The Mystery Inside the TOS Primary Hull Support Pylon

Mudd’s Women: Kirk’s cabin is on this deck (apparently) and has a decent stretch of corridor adjoining it.
The full corridor is seen only before Spock and the traveling circus enter the turbolift; after the turbolift ride (and thus supposedly after they reach Deck 12), we only see Kirk's cabin (the standard set), with the mood set by a brief glimpse of some utility corner or another behind a grillework.

Dagger Of The Mind: Here, Van Gelder is spotted on Deck 14, having (apparently) exited the Transporter Room and started roaming the corridors. There is not indication that he ever used a turbolift – if he had, wouldn’t he have gone somewhere more secluded? Or if his ultimate destination was in fact the bridge – why not there? To detour via the pylon neck is an odd choice, even for him!
Note, however, that our heroes were beaming cargo. No doubt van Gelder was beamed up into the cargo transport center in the secondary hull, and was fighting his way up to the bridge where he despite his compromised state of mind knew he would meet the person of authority he needed to defeat Adams.

Enemy Within: Rand’s quarters are blatantly on this deck (G. T. Fisher calls for aid from an intercom) and even more corridor is visible prior to this on Evilkirk’s drunken ramble to her door. Regarding this ramble, why is Evilkirk even here? The presence of Rand’s cabin seems to take him almost by surprise, just a fortunate opportunity to be taken advantage of. I would postulate that he is going back to his cabin and just happens to pass her own along the way. In fact, at this point in the series, “Deck 12” is almost being treated as the main deck of the ship, hardly suitable if that deck were situated in the pylon neck.
Many oddities there, indeed. Note how Fisher doesn't complete his sentence - perhaps he's calling Deck 12, rather than calling from Deck 12? After all, Rand yelled for him to specifically call Mr Spock, as if her primary concern here was to keep the incident from becoming public, and personal security came as a distant eleventh.

We can defend in multiple ways the idea that all the action is taking place on Deck 3, Section C after all. We have the door signage:

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We have McCoy's door similarly indicated to be at "3F". We have reason to think the officers (and possibly their personal assistants) live in a fairly isolated part of the ship, rather than "main deck". We later see Spock living on Deck 3 in the upgraded ship. Deck 3 ought to feature enough floor space and curved structure to account for the witnessed corridors - and superstructures like that are classic locations for officers' accommodation in real ships... And both EvilKirk and Fisher might have business at and near Kirk's personal cabin, thus a reason to walk past Rand's.

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Old April 1 2012, 03:10 PM   #47
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You people have it all wrong... There's a brewery in the neck!
It would have to be a microbrewery, given the lack of space.
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Old April 1 2012, 03:42 PM   #48
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The nacelle pylons are much thinner than the neck. But I've always imagined a Jefferies tube going all the way up each one, with either a ladderway or a service lift. The three windows each represent a stop along the way where regular maintenance is performed.
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Old April 1 2012, 07:57 PM   #49
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They might also be early examples of what we see in ST:FC, demonstrated to Lily Sloane by Picard: a hole in the wall of the starship for some sort of a logistical purpose, perhaps somewhat resembling a window even when shuttered.

Some backstage doubletalk tried to explain the ST:FC hole as a means of purging onboard air when the ship is suitably connected to a starbase. Regardless of whether that exact idea carries merit, there might be a lot of use for purge valves in the engine pylons...

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Old April 1 2012, 08:28 PM   #50
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No doubt van Gelder was beamed up into the cargo transport center in the secondary hull, and was fighting his way up to the bridge where he despite his compromised state of mind knew he would meet the person of authority he needed to defeat Adams.
Except that Van Gelder hid in a box (never mind how he got into the box without being discovered) which was one of several small cargo items that were beamed aboard using the regular 6-pad personnel transporter (since that was the only transporter room set).
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Old April 1 2012, 09:03 PM   #51
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I didn't say the transporters at the cargo transport center would look any different from the ones in the saucer...

Although I guess some of them might. Both the Franz Joseph art for them and the Shane Johnson art for their movie refit equivalents feature a large rectangular platform for bulk cargo transport, but with a cluster of "regular" pads at one end of that platform. The "real" system down in the secondary hull might feature separate six-pad units and rectangles rather than combined units.

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Old April 2 2012, 12:31 AM   #52
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Mudd’s Women: Kirk’s cabin is on this deck (apparently) and has a decent stretch of corridor adjoining it.
The full corridor is seen only before Spock and the traveling circus enter the turbolift; after the turbolift ride (and thus supposedly after they reach Deck 12), we only see Kirk's cabin (the standard set), with the mood set by a brief glimpse of some utility corner or another behind a grillework.
Actually you also get to see the cross-brace? for the hallway outside of Kirk's quarters twice. Once when Mudd and Co come in and a second time when the miners enter Kirk's quarters. That's enough information to construct the 8' wide hallway section in front of Kirk's quarters.

There is also "Journey To Babel" and Deck 11 where they found the body of the Tellarite. It could fit in the neck area, but it would be tight on the width.

In any case, is there anything in TOS that pins the room label with the deck number and/or place deck 12 in the neck?
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Old April 2 2012, 01:57 AM   #53
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I didn't say the transporters at the cargo transport center would look any different from the ones in the saucer...

Although I guess some of them might. Both the Franz Joseph art for them and the Shane Johnson art for their movie refit equivalents feature a large rectangular platform for bulk cargo transport, but with a cluster of "regular" pads at one end of that platform.
My edition of Franz Joseph’s Star Fleet Technical Manual shows only a hexagonal bulk cargo transport platform. The Enterprise blueprint set shows the same thing.

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Old April 2 2012, 03:11 AM   #54
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The difference between the nacelle strut windows and the pylon neck windows is that the nacelle struts are never lit - making it easy to explain them away as something else (flush vents etc). The pylon neck ones however are lit, and in exactly the same way as the other windows on the ship.

Unlit windows in the nacelle pylons could mean no one is in there. The Polar Lights TOS decals do show unlit windows in the neck and engineering hull, too, if we dare call them "windows," that is!

BTW, there's the orange window (or, whatever it is) on the neck that I mentioned earlier.

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Old April 2 2012, 04:58 AM   #55
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What's that?? Did I just see dark windows in the MAIN ENGINEERING section on that Polar Lights model?? Ho! Ho! Ya hear that, Scotty? Some of your boys were sleeping on the job while you were off duty!"

SCOTTY: "Aye! And when I find out who those laddies are, I'm gonna take 'em and put 'em in the antimatter storage pod ejection hatch and push the button!!"
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Old April 2 2012, 05:29 AM   #56
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I always had mixed feelings about the torpedo bays on the refit Enterprise seen in TMP, but you have to admit that if there were any torpedo banks outside of the lower saucer decks, even the minimalist neck of the TOS Enterprise would be a great place to house at least one of them... and "Balance of Terror" seemed to suggest there were forward weapons, mid-ship weapons, and aft weapons on the Enterprise.

Beyond the notion of at least one torpedo facility, there are a few other possibilities:
  • an observation lounge
  • fabrication facilities (In "Catspaw", Kirk told Korob his ship "could manufacture a ton" of the precious gems)
  • an airlock/travel pod port
  • other permanent equipment, such as sensors
  • piping and wiring conduits between the hulls
  • turboshaft, of course
  • ladderway

None of this is canon, of course, but canon pretty much ignored the neck anyway. If we retcon from TNG, though, we can assume the neck is used for some kind of ship's facilities.
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Old April 2 2012, 05:48 AM   #57
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This is very advanced technology...

The E could be like the Tardis, with more space on the inside than the outside. If you think about it, this would solve a lot of problems.
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Old April 2 2012, 06:01 AM   #58
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This is very advanced technology...

The E could be like the Tardis, with more space on the inside than the outside. If you think about it, this would solve a lot of problems.
Or like the Jupiter 2, which managed to squeeze a control deck, a living quarters deck, and an engineering deck into a saucer barely big enough for one deck! Not to mention a bay for the Space Pod and room for the unassembled Chariot . . .
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Old April 2 2012, 03:03 PM   #59
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Hey! The Jupiter 2 had very advanced technology! It was launched in 1999!!
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Old April 3 2012, 12:00 PM   #60
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Returning to the issue of the pylon for a moment, is there anything to say that those (or indeed any of the) round and rectangular "windows" seen on the ship have to actually be windows?
Throughout the three years of TOS we only ever saw 3 confirmed windows - two in Conscience of the King (which were square) and one in Mark of Gideon (which was more rectangular, but still different from the ones on the Enterprise model).
Additionally, MOG showed us that portholes have both interior and exterior shutters (this feature nicely deals with the discreprencies in interior and exterior window shapes)

So, could some or indeed all of the "windows" seen on the flyby shots each week have in fact been sensors or something? It would certainly explain why there are so many of them in the engineering hull! I mean, shouldn't those engineers be working instead of stargazing?
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