Mass Effect 3

[TheGodBen]

I don't trust that what the Geth showed Shepard while he was in the consensus was anything other than propaganda. The Geth may have let the last few million Quarian survivors flee Rannoch, but before that they killed billions of civilians, and they never bother to account for such an atrocious death-toll. The truth of what happened during the Morning War is probably somewhere between the claims made by both the Geth and the Quarians.

Since the Quarians were the only one of the two not to side with the Reapers at any point, I chose to spare them.

[Reverend]

TheGodBen wrote:

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I don't trust that what the Geth showed Shepard while he was in the consensus was anything other than propaganda. The Geth may have let the last few million Quarian survivors flee Rannoch, but before that they killed billions of civilians, and they never bother to account for such an atrocious death-toll. The truth of what happened during the Morning War is probably somewhere between the claims made by both the Geth and the Quarians.

Since the Quarians were the only one of the two not to side with the Reapers at any point, I chose to spare them.

If it came down to it, I'd side the the quarrians. Not because I don't trust the Geth or because I don't believe that the ancient quarrians brought their exile on themselves (I do and they did), but because Tali is my favourite character and I just couldn't do that to her.

...I probably will eventually though as I have about a dozen saves to import.

[Charlie Kelly]

TheGodBen wrote:

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I don't trust that what the Geth showed Shepard while he was in the consensus was anything other than propaganda. The Geth may have let the last few million Quarian survivors flee Rannoch, but before that they killed billions of civilians, and they never bother to account for such an atrocious death-toll. The truth of what happened during the Morning War is probably somewhere between the claims made by both the Geth and the Quarians.

Since the Quarians were the only one of the two not to side with the Reapers at any point, I chose to spare them.

I don't think it was propaganda, the Geth have only ever acted in self-defence. The Quarians essentially wanted to commit genocide which is what caused the morning war and the Geth only sided with the Reapers in response to the Quarians starting another war, one that caused their intelligence to be diminished. The only reason why the Quarians can be wiped out if you side with Legion is because they once again attempt to exterminate the Geth, if you convince the Quarians to back off the Geth welcome them with open arms despite everything that they have done. Another thing that annoys me about the ending, you can’t point out any of this to the star child! In this case not only did synthetics and organics make peace it was actually the organics that were the aggressors and not the other way around!

[Hartzilla2007]

Skywalker wrote:

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If I had to choose...

I'd choose the geth over the quarians. The quarians started the war against the geth in the first place. They weren't the victims; they were the aggressors. And they rightfully got their asses kicked.

Plus I'd rather have the geth in a fight than the quarians. Geth don't have to worry about infections, and they don't use ships originally designed for civilian use.

Of course, in the game I got both sides work together because that's the ideal resolution. But if I absolutely had to pick between the two, I'd go with the geth, easily.

I believe someone crunched the number and found you get more points from the Geth than the Quarians

[TheGodBen]

Charlie Kelly wrote:

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I don't think it was propaganda, the Geth have only ever acted in self-defence.

I don't think self defence covers genocide. Whatever way you cut it, the Geth killed billions of Quarian civilians, and nothing in ME2 or ME3 explains how or why they went to such an extreme. The Geth blame the war on the Quarians, the Quarians blame it on the Geth, and both are guilty of attempting genocide on the other. I don't trust either of them.

[Hartzilla2007]

TheGodBen wrote:

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I don't trust that what the Geth showed Shepard while he was in the consensus was anything other than propaganda. The Geth may have let the last few million Quarian survivors flee Rannoch, but before that they killed billions of civilians, and they never bother to account for such an atrocious death-toll. The truth of what happened during the Morning War is probably somewhere between the claims made by both the Geth and the Quarians.

Since the Quarians were the only one of the two not to side with the Reapers at any point, I chose to spare them.

Didn't flat out say that what the Geth show you is exactly what happened back in Mass Effect.

[Mr Light]

Finished the game last night! I liked the ending, I don't see the big deal about it. One thing I absolutely hated were the slow motion walking sequences though. That was more tedious than mineral scanning!

[Camren]

Mr Light wrote:

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Finished the game last night! I liked the ending, I don't see the big deal about it. One thing I absolutely hated were the slow motion walking sequences though. That was more tedious than mineral scanning!

I didn't like the ending because it's dumb and there is really no closure to the characters and to the series. But the reaction from a lot of fans has been totally ott. I visited the Bioware forums and the people on there have been going absolutely ape shit.
At the end of the day, it's only a game and it's up to the developers of the game how to end it.

[throwback]

The longer this drags on, and the more I think about my feelings towards Mass Effect, the more I feel that I can not play the series again. I am thinking of selling the series at Gamestop, and using the money towards paying for the game The Witcher 2. I hear this is an exceptional RPG.

[ATimson]

throwback wrote:

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The longer this drags on, and the more I think about my feelings towards Mass Effect, the more I feel that I can not play the series again.

Series? What series? There's only one Mass Effect game.

[throwback]

I feel there are three Mass Effect games, and, that together, form a series.

[Reverend]

^Actually there are five, but who's counting?

TheGodBen wrote:

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I don't think self defence covers genocide. Whatever way you cut it, the Geth killed billions of Quarian civilians, and nothing in ME2 or ME3 explains how or why they went to such an extreme. The Geth blame the war on the Quarians, the Quarians blame it on the Geth, and both are guilty of attempting genocide on the other. I don't trust either of them.

Well to be fair, when the entire population of a species is actively tring to wipe you out and the only way to defend yourself is to wipe them out first then yes, I think under those conditions self defence does cover genocide. Especially when the other race are the aggressors. The Geth didn't go after the quarians, the quarians went after them.

As for the scale of casualties back during the Morning War, if the quarians kept trying to kill the geth and the geth kept fighting back, sooner or later one side or the other must either surrender or run. The geth probably correctly presumed that had they run, then the quarians and the other council races would hunt them down. So they stood their ground. The rest is just attrition.

On another note, I wonder what earth shattering ME related news will be announced tomorrow...I mean it's April 1st, so someone is going to try something silly. Maybe Bioware will announce the new "fixed" ending.

You know, with the pink energy wave they originally planned on.

[TheGodBen]

Bioware is ahead of the jokes on this one.


In other news, Minecraft's creator, Notch, has revealed his next game; Mars Effect

Game features

The game is still very early in development, but here is a list of things we hope to include:

• Hard science fiction.
• Lots of engineering.
• Fully working computer system.
• Space battles against the AI or other players.
• A game ending that makes sense.
• Abandoned ships full of loot.
• Waist high walls.
• Seamlessly landing on planets.
• Advanced economy system.
• Mining, trading, and looting.

[ATimson]

throwback wrote:

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I feel there are three Mass Effect games, and, that together, form a series.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

[Jeyl]

throwback wrote:

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I feel there are three Mass Effect games, and, that together, form a series.

Especially when part 3 is regarded as "The perfect jumping in point!" for new players.



Sometimes they'll treat it as a series with the genophage and Geth/Quarian missions, sometimes they'll make it so self-contained that your Shepard will spit out sentences that go completely out of character.