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Old March 29 2012, 08:35 PM   #3826
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Aquaman #7: This is the better of Geoff Johns books he is writing right now. This Who Sunk Atlantis mystery is going to be more interesting than I thought it might be.

Superman #7: Sigh. So Lois doesn't know who Clark is yet, The Death of Superman is still supposed to have happened? Unless I'm missing something but the impression I get is that not only were they never together but she doesn't know who he is either yet. This is what I mean about wanting some things but leaving out in some ways crucial elements out of the timeline. Lois emotional state during the Death and Return of Superman story line is one of the things that has always had imapct for me, if that is no longer there...then what is the point of having the event still intact? The writing is improved but not interested in the story at all. This one is perma-dropped.
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Old March 29 2012, 08:39 PM   #3827
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The Death of Superman is still intact? I thought Superman got a full, cold, reboot or was that only in AC?
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Old March 29 2012, 09:05 PM   #3828
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DiDio has stated since the announcement of the relaunch that several events still happened, Death of Superman is still one of them, and I believe in issue one of "Superman" it was referenced. Superman's had a partial reboot...not everything was gutted. Just most things.

This was from last October...

http://insidepulse.com/2011/10/02/dc...t-differently/

Final Crisis never happened apparently that means Bruce Wayne and company have a "lost year" of sorts in the New 52. This should also mean that The Return of Bruce Wayne and most of the first year of Batman and Robin didn't happen either since they were the direct result of the events of Final Crisis. Although since RIP happened I guess that cancels the other out. See what I mean!?? The article has a good term for this "logic bomb" when trying to contemplate the new timeline. There is no possible way it can be reconciled lol.
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Old March 29 2012, 09:56 PM   #3829
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I doubt everything seen in the Death of Superman arc happen the same way in the New 52 timeline. At best Superman was thought to be dead, possibly killed by Doomsday. Other than that the details are up in the air. Same for the arcs that still "happened".
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Old March 29 2012, 10:03 PM   #3830
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Indeed as DiDio stated in the facebook reply the article stated, that still doesn't mean the new timeline isn't utterly ridiculous and makes no sense. I also understand that when we've had these conversations some of you don't care about the timeline...thus the part where I sound like EJA (LOL) but there still needs to be some logic behind the back story of the New 52 IMO and there isn't any. Just too many contradictions and inconsistencies.
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Old March 29 2012, 11:27 PM   #3831
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You have yet to point out one supposed contradiction or inconsistency. All what Didio has said pretty much just means that the events such as the Death of Superman just happened differently than those in the old DCU.
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Old March 29 2012, 11:48 PM   #3832
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All right perhaps there aren't any contradictions or inconsistencies, those were poor choice of words on my part, but the "logic bomb" aspect of the compressed timeline is still silly in my opinion. People have brought up and discussed examples all through the thread such as the Five Robins and multiple Batgirls, some continuity carrying through, some not, and not just for the DCU either, the Wildstorm stuff as well. Like the stuff I pointed out about "The Authority" way earlier in the thread. Again I get things are "different" and didn't happen exactly as they did in the previous timelines. Man I really do sound like EJA now don't I? I guess I'm not conveying my point properly or something.
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Old March 29 2012, 11:58 PM   #3833
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I think fans just need to start looking forward. We tend to spend too much time playing "how does this fit?".
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Old March 30 2012, 12:01 AM   #3834
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True enough. I know I continually repeat myself on this matter but it is one of the things that keep bugging me about the New 52, and mainly because I keep encountering stuff in the stories that just throw me off. I've honestly never been much of a continuity guy before...or thought much about it...but it is really glaring to me in the 52'Verse so far.
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Old March 30 2012, 01:04 AM   #3835
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I think fans just need to start looking forward. We tend to spend too much time playing "how does this fit?".
This. I think ultimately, until someone says "Hey, remember when that creature killed you a few years ago, Superman?" that maybe it's best to think that story HASN'T happened.

It's a whole new universe, some stuff has carried over, some hasn't. What has... when they bring it up, then we'll know.
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Not a real surprise, but we won't be seeing Stephanie Brown anytime soon in the New 52.
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Old April 1 2012, 01:15 AM   #3837
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LOL. This is kind of surprising since they made a big deal about her being Spoiler a few months ago. Not surprising that they changed their minds about it. This flip flopping about characters really kind of irks me.
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Old April 1 2012, 02:21 AM   #3838
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Whatever. I don't even care enough to complain. DC's handling of this reboot has been downright dreadful in so many ways.
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Old April 1 2012, 02:38 AM   #3839
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Whatever. I don't even care enough to complain. DC's handling of this reboot has been downright dreadful in so many ways.
agreed.

and as for continuity...i'll be that one guy in the background saying, 'but this doesn't make sense with this story.' yeah, i'm that guy.
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I've made no secret over the years that Stephanie Brown is in the top-5 DC characters I want to write. (Number one on that list is Jason Todd, but I'm happy with what Scott Lobdell is doing with the character.) And a few years ago, after Chuck Dixon brought Steph back in Robin and before Bryan Q. Miller's Batgirl series, I wrote down what I would do with Steph as an ongoing character.

I took a look at it recently.

It would need some tweaks to fit the New 52. I feel like I should revisit it, write up a full proposal, and find a way to get it to Dan Didio...
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