Avengers Vs. X-Men -- Speculation, Spoilers, and Discussion

[Captain Craig]

scnj wrote:

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I'd love if they release the whole thing in one trade, but knowing Marvel, it'll be three overpriced volumes.

Possibly so, however, waiting on the trade also allows one to know if the "event" is a true event with repercussions that may last awhile vs there being a big ole reset button like with Fear Itself. Where there really isn't anything of consequence.
Save oneself the money then and not get the trade.

I've been reading too long and the industry has built this jadedness into it's readership base. I'm past just blindly buying it cause they say it's "an important event".

[Admiral_Young]

"Avengers Vs X-Men" is something very different than say "Siege" or "Fear Its Self" in the sense that like I said in my first post, this is the culmination of events for both groups and in the Marvel Universe as a whole for the last ten years or so. Pretty much since Bendis took over Avengers and did the Avengers Disassembled story line. I understand waiting for the trade (which will most likely be in released in Jan 2013, I think the final issue of this is in November or something) and normally I would do the same, but this is something that I've looked forward to for quite some time since I've been following both franchises.

[Hound of UIster]

#0 was terrible. Too much Bendisspeak and Cho was undoubtedly the wrong artist to start off with. He overplays the musclature of the character that it borders on parody.

[Praetor_Shinzon]

eh, for a #0 i thought it was pretty decent. i'm not a fan of Bendis on Avengers but his part of AvX #0 and Avengers #24.1 were enjoyable IMO. i'm just happy to see the original Vision back. Wanda too.

[Kestrel]

I've not followed the X-Men verse for awhile I guess, and the last I actively read was Whedon's run (I know, forever ago right?!), but...

Cyclops following Magneto's path and Wolverine upholding Xavier's ideals? Sounds like bullshit to me.

[Admiral_Young]

It's been pretty awesome actually...especially Wolverine and the X-Men. Schism was really well written, although somewhat contrived and forced IMO given where Utopia was just before this in terms of unity. Some fans have wondered due to this event how long the schism will last?

[Skywalker]

Kestrel wrote:

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Cyclops following Magneto's path and Wolverine upholding Xavier's ideals? Sounds like bullshit to me.

Agreed. Sounds more like a lame plan to keep Wolverine front and center as the main hero of the X-Men world.

[Hound of UIster]

Kestrel wrote:

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I've not followed the X-Men verse for awhile I guess, and the last I actively read was Whedon's run (I know, forever ago right?!), but...

Cyclops following Magneto's path and Wolverine upholding Xavier's ideals? Sounds like bullshit to me.

Cyclops going Magneto's way is pretty much semi-justified from his pov since he has to resort to these tactics to keep the few mutants that are now around from extinction. Of course from a neutral perspective none of that justifies the tortures, assassinations ,death squads and mutilation of children.

But the rest of the stuff such as Wolverine going Xavier's way is bullshit. But then Jason Aaron's grasp is Wolverine is very tenuous.

[Nerys Myk]

Makes me glad I stopped reading X-Men.

[Praetor_Shinzon]

the direction Cyclops has taken the past few years hasn't bothered me. the drama of Schism felt very forced. suddenly Wolverine is upset about putting kids in danger? yeah. sure. and having students call him Professor Logan just stubs my toe.

[Turtletrekker]

Kestrel wrote:

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I've not followed the X-Men verse for awhile I guess, and the last I actively read was Whedon's run (I know, forever ago right?!), but...

Cyclops following Magneto's path and Wolverine upholding Xavier's ideals? Sounds like bullshit to me.

That's a very simplistic way of explaining things. Cyclops is in a unique and precarious postion. He has to think like the leader and protector of a dying species, not just the leader of a highly-trained team of super-heroes. While at the same time, he is sending a clear message to the rest of the world that the X-Men are NOT to be fucked with. And yes, some of his decisions of late have been iffy, but his primary goal has been still to save the world for mutants, not conquer it for mutants as Magneto would have tried.

However, there was a funny scene in Uncanny #1 in which Storm (who would never go along with Cyclops if he were truly going down Magneto's path) in which she asks every member of Scott's Extinction Team (Cyclops, Storm, Emma, Namor, Magneto, Colossus, Magik and Hope) to raise their hand if they have never had a period of their career that could be defined as primarily "Super-Villain", and when Scott raises his hand, Storm asks him if he's sure about that.

[Admiral_Young]

^ That was a great scene from that issue Turtletrekker well said about Scott as well, couldn't have done better myself. Despite my problems with the book and the dour tone, I have enjoyed Scott's evolution as a character. I just think right now he is becoming blinded and overwhelmed by his responsibilities. He has surrounded himself with "yes" people now...even Emma hasn't really questioned a decision from him in a while. This set's a dangerous precedent for me. Logan was one of the few who were willing to say "no" to Scott IMO.

[Captain Qwert Jr]

timothy wrote:

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Okay with scarlet witch coming back is this a possible reset to everything that happened since HOUSE of M?

Her return happened in Avengers:The Children's Crusade, Allan Heinberg's end to his strange, little throwback of a team, the Young Avengers, and in that series there were resets, and retcons aplenty. But since, no writer at Marvel keeps up with what happens in other books who knows if any of it counts.

As for AvX, unless, I hear that the 'heroes' were arrested, fairly tried and justly executed, I dont think I will be returning to Marvel anytime soon.

[Turtletrekker]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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^ That was a great scene from that issue Turtletrekker well said about Scott as well, couldn't have done better myself. Despite my problems with the book and the dour tone, I have enjoyed Scott's evolution as a character. I just think right now he is becoming blinded and overwhelmed by his responsibilities. He has surrounded himself with "yes" people now...even Emma hasn't really questioned a decision from him in a while. This set's a dangerous precedent for me. Logan was one of the few who were willing to say "no" to Scott IMO.

Equally well said. It's true that Scott has developed a bit of tunnel vision regarding certain things. And it's not lost on me that even as I defend Scott from accusations of villainy and following Magneto's path, that in the previews for AvX #1 we see Magneto himself making the comparison. Perhaps it will be turn out to be true in Scott's case, what they say about good intentions.

[Turtletrekker]

Does anyone out there have have AvX #1 yet? If so, please spoiler code any early reviews.