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Old March 27 2012, 09:59 PM   #511
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

I fully support caring about untimely demise of characters!
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Old March 28 2012, 05:32 AM   #512
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I don't get what you're arguing here. Sonak pretty much just paraphrased your post. And your post was about Kim's screen time, not Kes's supposedly diminishing role.
Screen time-the amount of time you physically see the character on the TV screen per episode per season
Not to be confused with character development or the amount of episodes a character is featured in each season. Screen time isn't limited to the amount of eps. that character is featured in but rather how many times does the audience physically see that character on their TV within in each episode.
For example: Harry is in the entire two parter of "Future's End", Kes has two small scenes. You see Harry in "Macrocosm" Kes isn't in it all. I don't think she's in "The Chute", "Remember" or "The Q and he Grey" either but all the rest of the cast is.
And I still don't get what you're arguing. I don't think there's been any disagreement about the definitions of "screen time" and "character development."

Other posters have written fairly thorough posts about the amount of focus Kes got throughout seasons 2 and 3. For a secondary character, she has one of the more substantial roles.

The number of lines and the amount of screen time she got is less important to me than the impression she left. I have a good idea of who this character is, I could give a detailed description of her personality, and she captured my imagination to point of making me wonder about the parts of her life we didn't see. This is a lot more than I can say for most of the other secondary characters.
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Old March 28 2012, 09:04 AM   #513
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Kes is more noble than Berman.

After Before and After, Kes had a choice...

Janeway of her Child.

B'Elanna or her Grandchild.

She chose to save real people over hypothetical people.

Berman on the other hand killed off the Kes ratings he did have in favour of the Hypothetical Seven ratings that he might have.
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Old March 28 2012, 09:16 AM   #514
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Kes did follow a colorful suit
She'd heard it came with leola root
but that fizzled and soured
When when the producers empowerd
A comely Borg babe boot.
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Old March 28 2012, 09:38 AM   #515
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Kes is more noble than Berman.

After Before and After, Kes had a choice...

Janeway of her Child.

B'Elanna or her Grandchild.

She chose to save real people over hypothetical people.
She didn't even remember those people, she barely learned their names. She's much more attached to Janeway. Also the thought of mating with Tom probably helped the decision along.
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Old March 28 2012, 10:44 AM   #516
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Actually.

Kes had no memories when she died.

as she was traveling back in time she didn't remember anything of her old life/lives, she just retained her new memories after each jaunt.

Are we sure that when they pulled her out of the biotemporal chamber in season three that she could remember the past at all?

As of the 21st episode of seaosn 3, with a exception of less than an hour flitting about in the future, little kes was a blank slate, with barely any loyalty to anyone on that ship.

She was faking it.
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Old March 29 2012, 03:57 AM   #517
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

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I don't get what you're arguing here. Sonak pretty much just paraphrased your post. And your post was about Kim's screen time, not Kes's supposedly diminishing role.
Screen time-the amount of time you physically see the character on the TV screen per episode per season
Not to be confused with character development or the amount of episodes a character is featured in each season. Screen time isn't limited to the amount of eps. that character is featured in but rather how many times does the audience physically see that character on their TV within in each episode.
For example: Harry is in the entire two parter of "Future's End", Kes has two small scenes. You see Harry in "Macrocosm" Kes isn't in it all. I don't think she's in "The Chute", "Remember" or "The Q and he Grey" either but all the rest of the cast is.
And I still don't get what you're arguing. I don't think there's been any disagreement about the definitions of "screen time" and "character development."

Other posters have written fairly thorough posts about the amount of focus Kes got throughout seasons 2 and 3. For a secondary character, she has one of the more substantial roles.

The number of lines and the amount of screen time she got is less important to me than the impression she left. I have a good idea of who this character is, I could give a detailed description of her personality, and she captured my imagination to point of making me wonder about the parts of her life we didn't see. This is a lot more than I can say for most of the other secondary characters.
That's the problem, Kes wasn't a secondary character.
She was a main one.
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Old March 29 2012, 06:10 AM   #518
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Re: Why was Kes written off the show?

Not all primaries are created equal.

Which Church preys to the Holy Ghost?
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Old March 29 2012, 07:14 AM   #519
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Ghostbusters?
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Old March 29 2012, 07:22 AM   #520
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Gozar the Goizarian, if anything is Jewishy.

Or do you mean the First Church of Bill Murray?
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Old March 29 2012, 07:30 AM   #521
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Bill et al. did prey upon ghosts, that's the one I meant.
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Old March 29 2012, 07:49 AM   #522
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Sto-opid typos.

Prays to the Holy Ghost.
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Old March 29 2012, 08:00 AM   #523
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If Kes is the Holy Ghost then Janeway is obviously God and 7 of 9 is her daughter with with whom she is well pleased. After Kes blows up in Fury who takes up her role in the trinity?

Wait, of course.. it's the Borg Queen. She's perfect.
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Old March 29 2012, 08:44 AM   #524
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You're incorrigible.

You've written fanfiction where Q never brought the boys back, haven't you?
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