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Old March 22 2012, 11:21 PM   #1351
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Re: Does It Get Better???

Like all writers in science fiction R. Moore gets involved in the literature and forgets the big why concerning the audience and the show.
He's writing about things that are real and these are-- anti-gravity, dampening field, holo-decks, transporters, shields, phasor guns and warp-drive. These latter are not technobable items but visions that come through the door. They are also unprovable and todays' scientists aren't even beginning to prove them. This gap is written all over Star Treks' eps. and will continue to be the reason Star Trek isn't met like "Alley Mcbeal" or C.S.I. series.
These men must have vegetables for brains.
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Old March 23 2012, 01:48 AM   #1352
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Re: Does It Get Better???

Don't know what on earth you're talking about. Moore is just commenting on the need for some kind of continuity and storylines that run through the show, rather than just continuing on in a totally episodic fashion. Its nothing to do with technobabble.
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Old March 23 2012, 02:22 AM   #1353
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This gap is written all over Star Treks' eps. and will continue to be the reason Star Trek isn't met like "Alley Mcbeal" or C.S.I. series.
You're on some serious mushrooms, because "previously on:" is a literary device used by many television programs, including many sci-fi shows. Not only did DS9 make liberal use of it, but LOST had one before every episode. nuBSG and Caprica did as well.

Not sure how futuristic technology is negatively affected by continuity...
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Old March 23 2012, 03:52 AM   #1354
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Alice: Terrific performances from the cast coupled with a totally pointless story made for something watchable but not all that enjoyable.
4/10

Riddles: A fun episode that explores the relationship between Neelix and Tuvok. I always enjoy seeing Tuvok act out of character, so seeing the "new" Tuvok was a lot of fun. Neelix was also enjoyable, and I really liked the way he looked after Tuvok.
In many ways, Neelix's and Tuvok's relationship reminds me a lot of Spongebob and Squidward's relationship, for those of you who are familiar with that show. Just a fun little observation.
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Agreed.
I think what ruins "Alice" is that they gave the ship physical form when it would have been much creepier had the "personality" of the ship been left as just a voice. Giving the ship a physical human form disconnects the audience from the ship itself. They missed the point on what made the car in "Christine" so haunting.

Honestly Tuvok and Neelix remind me more of Neil Simon's "The Odd Couple" where Tuvok is Felix Unger & Neelix is Oscar Madison and while Felix think Oscar an uncaring pig, Oscar would look after Felix and feel obligated if he were ever in the same position as Tuvok was. "Riddles" shows how well their friendship has progressed much like "The Odd Couple". Tim Russ and Ethan Philips performances really sells it.

Best Line-The Doc; "If anyone can provoke Mr. Tuvok, it's you Mr. Neelix."
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Old March 23 2012, 03:55 AM   #1355
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Apart from the two parters, I can think of just once that majel Said "previously on Star trek Voyager" after the opening credits and that was Coldfire to explain what a caretaker was before the audience sat down to watch Susperia run amok.

WHAT A CARETAKER IS!!!!!

They assumed that their audience had not seen the pilot or couldn't remember the plot of the TV show they were watching.

No respect.

Mean while they needed a Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer every week, and it went on for 5 minutes just to keep everything straight, because everything mattered and everything was connected...

Do you remember when Majandra Delphino used to stand in front of a white board and and draw really bad cartoons to flow-diagram explain the Previously on Roswell?

THAT WAS AWESOME!

(Gosh she is so pretty.)
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Old March 26 2012, 06:55 PM   #1356
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Dragon's Teeth: Interesting aliens-of-the-week, an engaging story, and good performances by everyone. Janeway's line at the end about seeing them again bugged the hell out of me though because it's obvious that Voyager will never encounter them again. They'll forget everything that happened in this episode by next week.
I was in a lousy state of mind watching this (still really am) episode, so it was really hard for me to enjoy it, but being as objective as possible I think that Dragon's Teeth is very good. If I was happier I am sure I would have enjoyed it much more.
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Old March 26 2012, 09:28 PM   #1357
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Janeway's line at the end about seeing them again bugged the hell out of me though because it's obvious that Voyager will never encounter them again. They'll forget everything that happened in this episode by next week.
I wish I could say you were wrong.

Anyhoo, "Dragon's Teeth" felt like a competent episode. The idea was pretty good, there were some actiony scenes....but overall it just felt very "meh" to me. Good for what it was meant to be, but nothing that really excited me.
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Old March 26 2012, 09:34 PM   #1358
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Does It Get Better?? yes its does after 'Endgame' lol
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Old March 26 2012, 11:03 PM   #1359
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Janeway's line at the end about seeing them again bugged the hell out of me though because it's obvious that Voyager will never encounter them again. They'll forget everything that happened in this episode by next week.
That annoyed me, too. Why bother throwing in that line if the writer's have no intention of revisiting the Vaadwaur?

Reminds me of the throwaway at the end of TNG's Conspiracy.
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Old March 26 2012, 11:25 PM   #1360
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Janeway's line at the end about seeing them again bugged the hell out of me though because it's obvious that Voyager will never encounter them again. They'll forget everything that happened in this episode by next week.
I wish I could say you were wrong.

Anyhoo, "Dragon's Teeth" felt like a competent episode. The idea was pretty good, there were some actiony scenes....but overall it just felt very "meh" to me. Good for what it was meant to be, but nothing that really excited me.
Well we do see a Vaddware in the Ts... crowd.

And as cool as they were to look at, they were also 900 years out of date.
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Old March 27 2012, 01:42 AM   #1361
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This might seem like it's coming out of nowhere, but I am actually considering quitting Voyager. Even though my scores have gone up I just don't feel excited when I sit down to watch it. I feel like I could be doing better things with my time. I haven't made up my mind yet, but it's 50/50 whether I choose to stay with it or not right now. Thoughts?
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Old March 27 2012, 03:01 AM   #1362
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It seems like you're getting a bit burned out by the repetitive episodic nature of the season 5-7 era.....personally I'd like you to keep watching it but if you feel like its time for a break then go for it. Absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say. So maybe if you take a good break from it, you can get to the point where you'll actually look forward to watching it again.
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Old March 27 2012, 03:38 AM   #1363
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This might seem like it's coming out of nowhere, but I am actually considering quitting Voyager. Even though my scores have gone up I just don't feel excited when I sit down to watch it. I feel like I could be doing better things with my time. I haven't made up my mind yet, but it's 50/50 whether I choose to stay with it or not right now. Thoughts?

Did you say "over"?

Nothing's over until we decide it is!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Hell, no!

And it ain't over now.

'Cause when the going gets tough...

the tough get going! Who's with me?
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Old March 27 2012, 03:41 AM   #1364
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It seems like you're getting a bit burned out by the repetitive episodic nature of the season 5-7 era.....personally I'd like you to keep watching it but if you feel like its time for a break then go for it. Absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say. So maybe if you take a good break from it, you can get to the point where you'll actually look forward to watching it again.
Yeah, the repetition of the show is grinding my gears. There's hardly any originality here.

And that's a good idea. Since it's on Netflix I could always revisit it later on if I felt like it. I'll have to see how I feel over the next several days before I make my decision.
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Old March 27 2012, 04:01 AM   #1365
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but this is going to effect your scores.

The grind is a natural component we all had to deal with, even if not in such a condensed fashion as you are.

When you see some fat fuck pushing/walking a bicycle up a hill, don't you just want to slow your car down and throw things at them?

You didn't do this for fun.

I see your endeavor hear as 60 percent science experiment and 40 percent tortureporn selfmutilation.

You have to get over the hump.

Break though the wall.

If you take a year or two off now, three years off...

There's going to be no fricking sense of reward when you spit on your TV set as the credits roll on Endgame.

I don't mean to be rude (this time) but you were delusional if you thought that this was going to be an enjoyable experience.

The first guy to do a marathon in ancient Greece, his heart blew up.

What you should notice, that although it's harder to find highs from the good episodes, it also harder to find lows with the bad episodes because you have engineered a workspce in your brain to proccess this porogramming with such efficiencey, it doesn't even touch the sides.

Like a champion gold medal winning hotdog eater.

Remember at the beginning of the thread when I used the word "callused" and you all thought I was mad?

It's like you have 3/4's of a tattoo!

Ihe chinese symbol for "I can't be arsed!"

You can doooooooooo it.

You can dooooooooo it alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll night long.
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