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Old March 23 2012, 05:59 AM   #3766
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Jim Lee has that much influence on Geoff John's writing? I never got the impression that Lee likes ass hole characters. Or is that Miller's influence from his experience working on All Star Batman and Robin: The Boy Wonder somehow surfacing? LOL
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Old March 23 2012, 06:18 AM   #3767
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I think he may be co-plotting the book.
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Old March 23 2012, 11:41 AM   #3768
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Is it possible the Justice League time-jump was a lot less than five years? They might be gradually working their way up to the five year mark. It would explain some of the character discrepancies.
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Old March 23 2012, 02:13 PM   #3769
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I didn't think Batman was an ass in Justice League - I think he was frustrated, trying to keep property damage down (as he says). This is the Batman that thought about building Brother Eye, not the one who actually went ahead and did it, if that makes sense.
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Old March 23 2012, 03:06 PM   #3770
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Is it possible the Justice League time-jump was a lot less than five years? They might be gradually working their way up to the five year mark. It would explain some of the character discrepancies.
Batman talks about Justice League International which just formed in "present" day, so it can't be too far behind.
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Old March 23 2012, 05:17 PM   #3771
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Scott Snyder talks about this week's issues, and the upcoming Night of Owls arc, and confirms that the "game changer" story arc which follows starts in "Batman#13". Not sure any of this is going to convince Trekker4747 to stick around with the book though

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Old March 23 2012, 05:24 PM   #3772
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Is it possible the Justice League time-jump was a lot less than five years? They might be gradually working their way up to the five year mark. It would explain some of the character discrepancies.
Batman talks about Justice League International which just formed in "present" day, so it can't be too far behind.
It might predate the first arc of JLI, which would explain the apparent contradiction between the two titles.
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Old March 23 2012, 05:34 PM   #3773
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All we know is that issue seven was the first present day issue of Justice League. Bruce's comment to Trevor about asking....errr...demanding that the UN disban JLI was a little harsh and I thought a forced attempt at bad comedy. I dropped JLI but didn't the first issue establish that Batman infiltrated the team in the first place to kind of "guide" them as well as his main objective to find out what the UN's agenda was with starting a team? Like I said I dropped the book after the second issue so I don't know what happened since.
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Old March 23 2012, 05:48 PM   #3774
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All we know is that issue seven was the first present day issue of Justice League. Bruce's comment to Trevor about asking....errr...demanding that the UN disban JLI was a little harsh and I thought a forced attempt at bad comedy. I dropped JLI but didn't the first issue establish that Batman infiltrated the team in the first place to kind of "guide" them as well as his main objective to find out what the UN's agenda was with starting a team? Like I said I dropped the book after the second issue so I don't know what happened since.
I dropped it after the third, but it looked pretty clear that the situation was as you suggest. This new information, that Bruce wanted the JLI as a kind of distraction meant only for publicity, seems to directly contradict that. The onyl way I can reconcile the two is to suggest that Justice League 7 takes place before JLI 1, and that Batman changes his mind after seeing the team in action (except that here he says he has zero respect for the team after seeing them in action).

Further, much of Batman's trust in Booster Gold in JLI seems rooted in their relationship in the cancelled Booster Gold series, but the history of their relationship is utterly muddy at the moment; if none of the original JLI happened, then the Batman of Justice League would seem like the more obvious one.
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Old March 23 2012, 06:03 PM   #3775
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As discussed above, the contradictions are very much irritating. You'd think that since Lee and Johns are writing the flag ship title of the New 52 that they would coordinate and discuss these issues with their fellow writers. I know it isn't really a big deal, but these little nuances do irritate me from time to time. I also agree about Bruce and Michael's dynamic being carried over from the ongoing and previous stuff. Bruce's encouragement of Michael and his guidance of Booster taking leadership of the team and not taking crap from the others was one of the interesting aspects of the book.
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Old March 23 2012, 08:19 PM   #3776
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Further, much of Batman's trust in Booster Gold in JLI seems rooted in their relationship in the cancelled Booster Gold series, but the history of their relationship is utterly muddy at the moment; if none of the original JLI happened, then the Batman of Justice League would seem like the more obvious one.
I think it's pretty much confirmed that much or all of the original JLI never happened, since Guy Gardner and Martian Manhunter had apparently never met before when he showed up in GLC.
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Old March 23 2012, 08:26 PM   #3777
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i'm still trying to wrap my head around four different Robins being squeezed into a five year time span.
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^Five if you count Stephanie. But they're explaining that by saying that Batman has actually been active much longer than that. He was just thought of as a myth. I mean, there's absolutely no other way to even explain Damian's existence.
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Old March 23 2012, 09:00 PM   #3779
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I believe that it has been stated by DiDio and Lee at various times that yeah as OdoWan pointed out, Batman has been the hero active the longest, having been operating as a myth and "off the radar". This was pretty much confirmed during his first meeting with Hal in Justice League #1 when Hal incredulously states something like "I thought you were just a myth!". I believe that Dick and Tim have been deaged as well in the new time line to explain the Five Robins thingy. Damian is ten years old, his conception (Son of the Demon which I believe has been made canon again) would have to be during Batman's early years...like year two or three even and way prior to the "five years ago" start of the new timeline.
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^Five if you count Stephanie. But they're explaining that by saying that Batman has actually been active much longer than that. He was just thought of as a myth. I mean, there's absolutely no other way to even explain Damian's existence.
That or Dick being a kid or 12 as Robin.
The "myth" angle and operating longer has to come into play.
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