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View Poll Results: Rate Rise Like Lions.
Outstanding 61 64.89%
Above Average 29 30.85%
Average 2 2.13%
Below Average 1 1.06%
Poor 1 1.06%
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Old January 30 2012, 01:11 AM   #151
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

I just finished RLL. Read the whole thing in one go. Loved it.

"Gul Leoben"...
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Old January 30 2012, 01:52 AM   #152
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^ I was wondering when someone would notice that.
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Old January 30 2012, 03:54 AM   #153
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

I also noticed that there were certain characters who had names similar, but not identical, to those in the RU. "Rogan'agar" (Goran'agar), "Temolok" (Tomalak), etc. Are these intended to be MU counterparts to RU characters but whose names aren't exactly the same? Kind of like Soleta's father - in the RU his name is Rajari, but in the MU it's Rojan. Same story here?
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Old January 30 2012, 05:24 AM   #154
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^ No, I was just looking for names that hadn't already been used.
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Old January 30 2012, 06:30 AM   #155
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Allllll....righty then.
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Also: Is the characterization of mirror Tropp intentional? Meaning: MU Tropp is depressed and fatalistic all the time, contrasting with RU Denobulans who are always so happy and upbeat and optimist?
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Old January 30 2012, 07:03 AM   #156
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^ Yes, but in his defense, the Denobulans have had a hard run of it under the Alliance...
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Old January 31 2012, 01:43 PM   #157
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Outstanding. Picked it up yesterday, and finished tonight.
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Old March 2 2012, 09:02 AM   #158
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Apropos of nothing, and please forgive the thread necromancy, but...

I'm discovering the works of Billy Bragg, and I just listened to his rendition of "A Pict Song" (lyrics from a Kipling poem) from his album William Bloke. And it really reminded me of Rise Like Lions -- especially this part:

Yes -- and we little folk too
We are as busy as they
Working our works out of view
Watch, and you'll see it some day

No indeed! We are not strong
But we know of Peoples that are
Yes and we'll guide them along
To smash and destroy you in war

We shall be slaves just the same?
Yes, we have always been slaves
But you -- you will die of the shame
And then we will dance on your graves
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Old March 2 2012, 08:25 PM   #159
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Ok well I lost my whole post again, which always happens. So I guess what i typed for 20 mins is gone, I got this this morning out in Towson, and I want to say that I am intested to see how Smiley Face O'Brien leads this band of rebels without comprmising his morals.
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Old March 11 2012, 09:44 AM   #160
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

I just finished RLL, and I have to say that I enjoyed it very much. I voted "Above Average" but I think we should add another option – something like "Very Good", as I think the novel's not *quite* up there with the modern classics (i.e. Destiny, Vanguard..).

I read the novel without reading the previous MU anthologies (I'd read only the expanded TSoE), and while Mack does a great job "tying up" the MU without being dragged down by continuity , the novel could have used a timeline at the start (like DS9R's Unity).
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Old March 11 2012, 11:11 AM   #161
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Interesting side note: Since the old Latin motto Quidquid Latine Dictum Sit, Altum Videtur still holds up, I've gone and put together all the Latin section titles from The Sorrows of Empire and Rise Like Lions, with translations:

The Sorrows of Empire

Part I: Sic Semper Tyrannis. "Thus always to tyrants."

Part II: Exitus Acta Probat. "The result validates the deed."

Part III: Sic Transit Imperium. "So passes the empire."

Acta est fabula. "The drama has been acted."

Rise Like Lions

Part I: Ferro Comitante. "My sword as my companion."

Part II: Debellare Superbos. "Vanquish the proud." *

Part III: Post Tenebras Lux. "After darkness, light."

Consummatum est. "It is finished."

* Interestingly, I think I may have found a typo for Rise Like Lions Part II. It's titled "Deballare Superbos," but every Google result I try for "Deballare Superbos" only gives me results for "Debellare Superbos."
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Old March 19 2012, 06:36 PM   #162
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Re: Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Rise Like Lions review thread (spoiler

Finally finished this a few moments ago and really enjoyed it. It took me a while to get into the novel, but once I did, it was a great ride. A satisfied conclusion for the Mirror Universe plot...yet it still makes me yearn for more Deep Space Nine novels
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Old March 19 2012, 07:43 PM   #163
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I purchased this book yesterday lunch time and finished about 3am today. It is incredibly addictive.

My one quibble is with the part regarding Spock and the Trill. Why on earth did he order the genocide of the symbiots? every other morally questionable act of the late emperor I can understand but this kinda feels like "evil-for-sake-of-being-evil"
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Old March 19 2012, 08:02 PM   #164
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My one quibble is with the part regarding Spock and the Trill. Why on earth did he order the genocide of the symbiots? every other morally questionable act of the late emperor I can understand but this kinda feels like "evil-for-sake-of-being-evil"
That was explored in the previous MU novel, The Sorrows of Empire. If I recall correctly,
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Old March 19 2012, 08:17 PM   #165
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My one quibble is with the part regarding Spock and the Trill. Why on earth did he order the genocide of the symbiots? every other morally questionable act of the late emperor I can understand but this kinda feels like "evil-for-sake-of-being-evil"
That was explored in the previous MU novel, The Sorrows of Empire. If I recall correctly,
ah okay. I've only ever read the Glass Empires version of that story. I know there were some difference but didn't think it included anything that extreme.
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